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	<updated>2008-04-24T10:13:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The same way 1.2 and 1.3 are: yes, you just need to run a script to make sure the schema is up to date.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Smartys]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1209/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-24T10:13:49Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113984/#p113984</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>hmm i guess my english failed me there <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; &nbsp;i meant if i use the current beta build and the final build of 1.3 gets released. are those 2 databases compatibel?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[debil]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/13001/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-24T03:04:23Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113973/#p113973</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you mean can you use a 1.2 database in 1.3, then yes, you just need to convert it first.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Smartys]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1209/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-24T03:02:28Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113971/#p113971</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>if a new version of pubb gets out can i use my current database on the new install? or will there be any changes that makes the database useless on the new versions?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[debil]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/13001/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-24T01:54:39Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113970/#p113970</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>yes i heard that too steven ... in few posts ... so i wonder does he mean completely change the style or develop it furthur ... mmmm ...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SuperMAG]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/10009/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-23T17:25:28Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113940/#p113940</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Runar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am close to use the 1.3 beta when I release my new site. Yes, I know it is a beta, and probably lots of bugs and errors, but how else am I going to find the bugs and errors if I only install the forum but never uses it? This way, I will soon find something reportable.</p><p>Yes, I know it is a risk but I am willing to take that risk after using hours to make the style fit the rest of the site.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well rumour has it that paul is going to do a large commit changing quite a bit of the styling code... so unlucky.</p><p>I personally dont have anything against people using BETA in production enviorment... as long as they dont moan here when things dont go right for them. Also... styling is really the last thing you should do with the BETA.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[StevenBullen]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/4979/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-23T15:29:50Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113936/#p113936</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113934/#p113934"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am close to use the 1.3 beta when I release my new site. Yes, I know it is a beta, and probably lots of bugs and errors, but how else am I going to find the bugs and errors if I only install the forum but never uses it? This way, I will soon find something reportable.</p><p>Yes, I know it is a risk but I am willing to take that risk after using hours to make the style fit the rest of the site.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Runar]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/5943/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-23T15:24:08Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113934/#p113934</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>thats why, this topic discussion talk about <strong>anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?</strong> <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I share my experience</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[FBI]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/9803/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T03:28:22Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113773/#p113773</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m glad you&#039;re liking it so much <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Smartys]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1209/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T03:04:10Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113772/#p113772</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>FBI wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For new PunBB user, better to use 1.3, even still in Beta. PunBB 1.3 offer future feature and compatibilities for feature release (1.3 Final). Extension easy to learn without touching core files.</p></blockquote></div><p>No, its not, 1.3 IS NOT STABLE! It is not to be used in a production enviroment.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Connorhd]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1393/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T03:03:55Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113771/#p113771</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sure different like you said.. Thanks Smartys <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I am not revert everything, I play with users, posts, and topics only. Using that tables for my old 1.2 scripts. Now running 1.2. Yes, its my own risk.. It just dropping FullText indexing on Posts &amp; Topics to gain SQL space. Rebuilding search index from 1.2 admin panel, for search function (almost 2 hours indexing on 26663 topics and 373654 posts).</p><p>For new indexing feature on 1.3, I read and learn this (read comments at bottom) <a href="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-indexes.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/ &#133; dexes.html</a><br />Its fulltext indexing like Smarty&#039;s said..<br />Maybe, thats explain why 1.3 faster than 1.2 <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Yeah, Rickard already told. Many schema changes on 1.3.<br />Mods/Plugins progamming totally change. I am still learning how to make or convert some plugins in to 1.3 new scheme..</p><p>After one month using and playing 1.3. Its great and faster. I am creating simple portal (frontpage style) to display new topics from few forum categories choosen, including recent post. Even, I am not expert on CSS programming.. But, that&#039;s our visitor like. Its different like other forum around there.</p><p>One important thing for big forum, something missing such PM feature etc. My visitor need those feature, and other mods/plugins feature that work on 1.2. Thats why, I revert to 1.2.<br />For new PunBB user, better to use 1.3, even still in Beta. PunBB 1.3 offer future feature and compatibilities for feature release (1.3 Final). Extension easy to learn without touching core files.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[FBI]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/9803/</uri>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T03:01:00Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113770/#p113770</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You can&#039;t run 1.2 using 1.3&#039;s schema. There are tables missing (specifically, search), configuration values changed, configuration settings removed/renamed, etc.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Smartys]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1209/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-04-20T00:32:23Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113769/#p113769</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mpok wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Smartys wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Probably because of the fulltext index.</p></blockquote></div><p>Of course it is.. <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>@others : in 1.3 the search index is <strong>included</strong> in topics and posts tables (as it is now managed internally by MySql), in 1.2.x the search index is in separate PunBB&#039;s managed tables (search_*).</p><p>Basically, indexes still take (approx.) same place in 1.3 than in 1.2, but they&#039;re just located in different places.<br />So, u can&#039;t really compare sizes of tables &#039;topics&#039; and &#039;posts&#039; from 1.2.x to 1.3 ones (or u have to keep off the indexes sizes).</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, thanks for your explain <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />Maybe this can explain why indexing important?<br /><a href="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/optimizing-database-structure.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/optim &#133; cture.html</a></p><p>Temporary, Now I revert to 1.2x with same posts &amp; topics structure as 1.3 beta.<br />Learn which table/column are indexed.<br />Wanna see, how the cpu performance after few days running..</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[FBI]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/9803/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-04-20T00:21:23Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113768/#p113768</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113167/#p113167"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m using it here: <a href="http://wiredpakistan.com/forums">http://wiredpakistan.com/forums</a></p><p>My installation of 1.2.x got hacked, so instead of installing that again decided to try out the beta version. It&#039;s working fine so far.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[khalido]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/3000/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-04-10T20:16:18Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113167/#p113167</id>
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		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: anybody using 1.3 in a production environment already?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m using 1.3 on multiple site&#039;s, on purpose. <img src="http://punbb.informer.com/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> The biggest (also the most inactive one) is <a href="http://forums.audio-tracker.com/">http://forums.audio-tracker.com/</a>. The entire project that the forum belongs to, is experimental so I figured it would be a nice way to see how it&#039;s behaving in such an environment. No hard feelings if it breaks something. People would figure out quite soon I believe. And the sooner the better, bugs can be fixed faster and more accurate (when properly managed/submitted of course), I think. (due to inactivity and lack of time I haven&#039;t been able create any reasonable feedback, I got plans to do this any time soon).</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>&lt;Smartys&gt; I&#039;m not sure why people think we&#039;re joking when we say don&#039;t use beta software in a production environment<br />&lt;Smartys&gt; If the software were ready to be used at that level, it wouldn&#039;t be beta</p></blockquote></div><p>You couldn&#039;t be more right btw. I definitely wouldn&#039;t do this in case of a (semi-) large, money making, production environment.</p><p>- Kaboon</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Kaboon]]></name>
				<uri>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/user/1380/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-04-09T11:33:02Z</updated>
			<id>http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/113071/#p113071</id>
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