If you are an owner of a company ... I don't think you would consider "vi" for your software development IDE. Because it wastes time and money.
Well, this is not really correct. I own three companies, and each of the developers I pay may consider and use vi / vim, emacs, and similar applications.
In real world situations, the editing capabilities especially of vim and emacs surpass Visual Studio and Dreamweaver by multitudes, especially if your are working on web application development, and - like I do - work in areas where development is heavily driven by specifications.
vim and emacs really show some shiny abilities when it comes to working of templates, snippets, and all the like.
I have been allowing Dreamweaver and Visual Studio in my companies, but we dumped those ~ 2005 after two projects where we relied on vim and co, and discovered that the workflow and time consumed was less.
]]>On my side, as my main OS is Ubuntu Linux, I use gedit, the distro's default text editor, for my PHP, XHTML and CSS development. And when I boot on win XP, I use Notepad++
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PHP, JAVA, JSF: Eclipse (free) , Net Beans (free)
ASP.NET, C#, VB.NET: Visual Studio 2008 Express (Free), Visual Studio 2008 Professional (<$300)
HTML, CSS, DHTML, Javascript: Notepad, Dreamweaver CS3, Microsoft Expression, (someone mentioned FrontPage: FontPage has been changed to Microsoft Expression)
Flash: Adobe Flash
Silverlight: Microsoft Blend
UML to Code: Altova
Source Control: SVN (free), CVS (free), Team System 2008, Visual SourceSafe
I sometimes use Notepad, vi (shell scripting) for quick fix only. I better version of Notepad is Notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm)
For those who like to program in PHP 4, PHP 5, and Zend Framework (MVC Framework) try:
Zend Studio for Eclipse ($399) (if you think you can make money from your PHP program, which I often do). I've been using it for 2 years already and I really like it.
This post will concluded all my posts. Happy Programming!
Hope this helps
]]>My point I'm trying to make here is VI, NOTEPAD are simple and easy to use for quick fix here and there but they are not the best tools for Software Development, because may not designed as Software Development IDE tools.
Matt ... if you keep arguing that VI is the best tool for the software development, then there is nothing I can say.
Seeing as you find it perfectly acceptable to ignore what I actually write and transpose it with your opinion and interpretation, saying nothing more would be a boon, IMO, as I have no intention of repeating what I have said several times before, just so that you can again ignore what I wrote.
]]>My point I'm trying to make here is VI, NOTEPAD are simple and easy to use for quick fix here and there but they are not the best tools for Software Development, because may not designed as Software Development IDE tools.
all in your opinion.
I too have tried various things over the years and always fall back on my favourite text editor.
]]>Let me guess ... VI again?
My point I'm trying to make here is VI, NOTEPAD are simple and easy to use for quick fix here and there but they are not the best tools for Software Development, because may not designed as Software Development IDE tools.
Matt ... if you keep arguing that VI is the best tool for the software development, then there is nothing I can say.
]]>Can you name a few IDE that you have used and were crap?
I never said any were crap. I merely said that I personally detested all other tools I had tried. I obviously wouldn't still be using Vi and other command line tools if anything else had rocked my boat.
but in a large development environment a professional IDE should be used instead.
Again, that is nothing more than your opinion/preference. The word 'should' is out of place.
]]>I've tried a lot of the other tools and, personally, I detest them. However, I wouldn't attempt to try and say that all other options are crap.
from: MattF
Can you name a few IDE that you have used and were crap?
]]>If you're happy with what you personally use then all well and good. Don't state blatant untruth's, however. Whatever form of editor etc which one uses is completely dependant upon ones personal preferences, 99% of the time. Accept the fact that your opinion is exactly that and not a statement of fact. I, for one, would use Vi whatever the scenario. I've tried a lot of the other tools and, personally, I detest them. However, I wouldn't attempt to try and say that all other options are crap. It's merely preference.
]]>I did try thinking of a subtle response to that but failed miserably.
In all honesty, that is a complete load of bollocks spouted through ineptitude and|or ignorance.
Matt you don't have to agree with me. I'm sure you're a good programmer, probably more Software Development experiences than me but let's be realistic.
You probably use VI for your PHP programming, if you have a chance to use Zend Studio for Eclipse, you probably do a lot more what VI can do. I can give you a few features:
* Project Navigator (Explorer)
* Refactoring (rename function in entire project)
* Setter and Getter
* Function outline
* CSS Preview
* Jump to a function by hold down control + click (doesn't matter on what file ... eclipse will open that file for you)
* and there are many more.
If you are an owner of a company ... I don't think you would consider "vi" for your software development IDE. Because it wastes time and money.
That's why Visual Studio 2008, Microsoft Express, Dream Weaver are available.
In my opinion, via + notepad are good for quick and dirty stuff ... but for long run ... consider professional IDE editor. (save time and money)
I did try thinking of a subtle response to that but failed miserably.
In all honesty, that is a complete load of bollocks spouted through ineptitude and|or ignorance.
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