PunBB Forums - [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Solovey) — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:41:35 +0000

Please just make the English, we can localize it ourselves, eventually everyone can share the rules.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (qie) — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:16:40 +0000

my forum now using a rewrite script from punres. it's not so good,for it convert the chinese word to "#($*(#*$" eg:

http://ons.org.ru/f1-a%B8%8Aæµ·.htm

but it should be

http://ons.org.ru/f1-ä¸?æµ·.htm

i suggested punbb 1.3 version will solve it.

oh,your page can not encoded my words to excactly chinese words

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Smartys) — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:02:17 +0000

I'm not sure what you're trying to say

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (qie) — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:56:38 +0000

Just as the 1.2 of punbb,
Extentions or plugins can not gave support to that "rewrite" feature.

For many years I'm using a not perfect rewrite system for my own language.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Jérémie) — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:06:07 +0000

Extension also offer much more flexibility, and less overhead for for core dev team, less support.

I disagree with Rickard on the need and importance of such a feature (and a few other, such as multigroup), however having a semi-official extenstion doing it is quite ok if there's a good tool to deploy, manage, and update extenstion on PunBB (I don't want to have to do it by hand on several multiple install, like TXP, it's a time eater). I'm pretty sure such a tool won't be here at 1.3, so it give us something to bother them about for 1.3.1

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Smartys) — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:13:49 +0000

Because it should be the administrator's choice, not the language pack author's. Offering that choice via an extension is simpler than putting in yet another feature, especially when that feature is not necessarily going to be useful for many forums.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (qie) — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:27:25 +0000

So much & even all need the Location url rewrite!
Why you don't do it in core,and just txp do.
I'm chinese using forum.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Jérémie) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:12:44 +0000

Rickard wrote:

We've discussed this and here's what I think we'll do. The localization of URL's is still a very rare phenomenon and we're not so sure it's something people would want.

Textpattern and Mediawiki have it in core, to name just two software I use frequently; I'm sure there are a lot other ones.

Instead, we'll provide a simple extension that loads any set of localized rules (if available).

Seems perfect. Thanks.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Rickard) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:49:48 +0000

We've discussed this and here's what I think we'll do. The localization of URL's is still a very rare phenomenon and we're not so sure it's something people would want. Instead, we'll provide a simple extension that loads any set of localized rules (if available).

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Rickard) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:30:10 +0000

Tell you what, I'll bring it up with the other guys on the dev team.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Jérémie) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:01:49 +0000

Extension writers would have to internationalize their plugin anyway, wouldn't they? Or more exactly, they either would (and in that case, if they can account for specific lang string, I think they can account for specific localized clean URL string... they are all strings after all) or wouldn't in the first place (and in that case, it doesn't really matter).

I understand this is a little more work, and you want to get 1.3 out of your system right now, but as a forum user and/or a forum owner, how would you feel if the punbb.org URL where in Euskara, or Chinese? See what I mean?

Beside, even if it's not a PunBB core capability, I believe a lot of non English forum owner will edit their rewrite file to localize them (it doesn't require any PHP skill), and some lang pack author would provide them anyway. So if that would break extension because it was not planned from the start, well, they will break for some people anyway

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Rickard) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:42:57 +0000

Although I like the idea of using the default language as a basis for which rewrite rules to use, there is another issue to consider. Extensions can modify and extend the rewrite scheme. However, if a forum was running a non-English rewrite scheme, any extension that tries to modify the rules is likely to fail.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Jérémie) — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:24:42 +0000

elbekko wrote:

It still won't work. I doubt a link full of special characters, which are translated to their ASCII/UTF-8 values, is clearer than obvious english words.

Hence the localization word I was using, instead of translation.

A lot of language are understandable when romanized into URL's ASCII (Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, German, Wallon, probably Polish, and a lot more I don't know), of course that's what need to be done.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (elbekko) — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:02:41 +0000

It still won't work. I doubt a link full of special characters, which are translated to their ASCII/UTF-8 values, is clearer than obvious english words.

Re: [1.3] New PHP URL rewrite system: localization

dummy@example.com (Jérémie) — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:54:31 +0000

Ok; just thinking out loud here:

- first scenario: a PunBB install has only one (non English) language installed. In that case it's simple, PunBB knows it has to use the German (for example) lang pack, and it uses the German rewrite scheme.

- second scenario: a PunBB install has multiple languages. Either use the English (aka international) rewrite scheme (simpler to code, I think) or allow the admin to select which rewrite scheme he wants to use (slightly more complex, but better for example is someone has an Italian & German forum... English would have no meaning there).

In any case, there would be only one scheme running (allowing multiple scheme would lead to huge complex system to avoid content redundancy), but that's ok I think. True multiple languages forum are, on top of that, quite rare from my experience.