Topic: COPPA Rules

I have searched the forum, and have not found any other mention of this.

The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA Act) requires that any website operator comply with this act when collecting information from children 13 or under.  IPB has a section in their Admin panel to turn on the COPPA settings so that the registration requires someone to identify if they are 13 or under, or 13 or over.  If 13 and under, they are required to have their parents either fax or mail a completed COPPA form to the website operator.

I'm from the United States, and most of the people that I do design work for are from here, and have to comply with this.

I guess what I'm wondering - are there are any plans to either incorporate this into PunBB, or design a mod that would allow people in my situation to add this function to their PunBB forum?

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I think this would be nice as a mod - would be very easy to create.

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Yes, I agree. A mod would be the way to go.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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I agree that a mod would be the best way, and that would be fine with me! smile

Now, would anyone here like to take on the challenge of creating this mod?

5 (edited by MathsIsFun 2005-02-16 20:48)

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Has this been done? Very Important! I am gonna have to kludge a solution to protect my members.

You can read more about COPPA here: http://www.cdt.org/legislation/105th/privacy/coppa.html

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Simply add something about it into the Forum Rules if you need it?

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Basically you shouldn't let out any contact details for children 13 and under. I would imagine that saying "don't fill in the details" is not enough. Better not to even ask for the details.

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I see it as pointless.
I was acctually pretty happy that it wasnt in PunBB.

1) If a parent raised a kid like they should have, they wouldnt give out any private info.
2) If the user is under 13, whats stopping him/her from pressing that they are over 13?
3) I would not like to be getting any faxes, or even giving out MY address.

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It's just to cover the site owner's butts if a parent doesn't like what the child is doing.. and wants to sue somebody other than discipline the child..


You know America..  quickest way to get a buck is to sue.. tongue

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I think it is more about making sure you are not part of the problem.

You may (unwittingly) be creating an environment that puts kids at risk, and so should do what you can to protect them.

11 (edited by erissiva 2005-03-08 23:17)

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Section 2.B.

does not include any nonprofit entity that would otherwise be exempt from coverage under section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45).

I don't collect profits, and I sure as heck am not a company.


Section 2.A.

means any person who operates a website located on the Internet or an online service and who collects or maintains personal information from or about the users of or visitors to such website or online service, or on whose behalf such information is collected or maintained, where such website or online service is operated for commercial purposes, including any person offering products or services for sale through that website or online service, involving commerce

See the bold?

12 (edited by buzzkill 2005-03-09 00:21)

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Let me play the Devil's advocate on this one. 

Let say I have a site, I am not selling anything, BUT I do generate revenue via advertisement campaigns, such as Google ads, or standard banner placements throughout the site.  So, in a sense you can no longer say that I am non-for-profit.

Now, some youngin? comes-a-browsing to my fictitious site, and decides to register and partake in forum discussion.  He/she come across some, let?s just say, inappropriate content for a person under 13, and shares this new found ?knowledge? with others.  Lets say they don?t really understand what they have read, and decide to ask someone older (i.e. a parent), the meaning of the content.   The parent asks where they heard this information from, and the good offspring tells the parent where they found the information.  The parent investigates and finds that this website has not clearly defined rules against minors viewing this site, or does not have measures in place to prevent their child from viewing this content.  The said content does not break any of the rules defined by the webmaster, but is indeed not appropriate for children. 

It?s just as important to secure a website from minors as it is from hackers.  Yeah the COPPA ?are you over or under the age of 13? check box seems kind of meaningless, but if the kid presses no I am not, then he is not allowed to sign up with the site, and furthermore, can view the content within.  If he/she chooses to check the box that they are over 13 years of age, and they are not, then, your ass is covered (in a sense).  The COPPA rules act as a deterrent.  Not a 100% foolproof device.

So, I can understand where people would want this to be added.  And it?s as easy as it seems to implement.  For instance, you would have to make it required to register to even see forum posts. This is not a big deal, because this setting is already there.  But, once you add COPPA into the mix, you can?t make this an option anymore.  It has to be closed to everyone but registered users.

Someone made the great old blanket statement that ?if a parent were doing there job?.  I am sorry, coming from a parent, that?s a bogus excuse not to implement these measures.  I do my job as a parent of 3 wonderful kids quite well.  But, I am not god, I can?t watch what they are doing 24/7.  With a dual income family, sometimes your kids have to be watched by a sitter, a relative, a close friend.  Yes, you can tell them they are not allowed to be on-line when you are not home.  Yes, you can have ?Net Nanny? preventions in place.  Come on I was a kid once, and I looked for ways to defy my parents, or be sneaky. It?s not the parents ?job? to tell their kids what the can and can not do.  It?s a parents job to explain why things are bad in the world, and why they should get involved with such acts.

Here is an example of what is wrong with the web.  This actually happened to me while I was supervising.  My oldest daughter at the time was 8 years old, and wanted to look up Barbie dolls on the web.  So she typed Barbie dolls into the search box, and found a lot that had to do with Barbie dolls made by Mattel.  She also found, when I was not quick enough to read what she was about to click on, a site that was meant, let?s just say, for gentlemen. (I.e. adult content) I can laugh now, but I can tell you I was a ticked off.  Now I had to explain to her why there would be such things in the world.

Bottom line, its easy to say that things like COPPA are rubbish when you don?t have kids.  As soon as you have kids of the age to go online, you be wishing that they would make an internet that only kids could access and one for adults.  Kind of like a new age right of passage.  (As soon as you are a certain age, you can get on the adult internet) lol

Ok, I ranted long enough.  It was hard to get this out between the phone ringing, and playing with my kids. big_smile

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Okay...So make it clear in the rules section that people have to agree to before registering...

I mean - the function is already there, just not labeled in flashing lights...
http://bb.zanthria.com/misc.php?action=rules

My users agree to this before registering.
I'm sure you could put a sentence about adult content in there.

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Yeah, that's what I suggested: just put the COPPA in the forum rules if you feel you need it tongue

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Smartys wrote:

Yeah, that's what I suggested: just put the COPPA in the forum rules if you feel you need it tongue

Ooops...Sorry.
Your sentence was crushed beneath the mammoth paragraphs.

16 (edited by scottywz 2005-04-25 16:04)

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Baaaah! I personally HATE the COPPA. How many LEGITIMATE companies would harm a child? The COPPA could just say that you can't distribute a child's information. Also, the FTC said that everybody in the world, not just the U.S.A., has to comply with it, which is sort of like controlling other countries. (Korea has something similar to COPPA, but it applies to children under 14 instead of 13 [I read that the bill for COPPA said under 16, which I think is outrageous].) With that said, I am not against children's privacy; rather, I am against the COPPA.

Gary13579 wrote:

I was acctually pretty happy that it wasnt in PunBB.

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2) If the user is under 13, whats stopping him/her from pressing that they are over 13?
3) I would not like to be getting any faxes, or even giving out MY address.

I agree. I don't even have a fax machine. Being a Webmaster myself, the COPPA is, in my opinion, too hard for Webmasters to implement.

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but in phpbb, when you register, if you are under 13, you get emailed a little form that you fill out and your parent has to sign before you can post.  It wouldn't be all that hard to make a mod for it.

18 (edited by scottywz 2005-04-02 17:38)

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sfackler wrote:

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but in phpbb, when you register, if you are under 13, you get emailed a little form that you fill out and your parent has to sign before you can post.  It wouldn't be all that hard to make a mod for it.

Yeah, but the parent has to either mail it in or fax it in to the person doing the forum. Snail-mailing it can take too long (especially if you live in Arizona and the Webmaster lives in Maine), and some people don't even have fax machines. Besides, both are too much trouble on the Webmaster, just like the COPPA itself.

19 (edited by scottywz 2005-04-25 15:39)

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Someone could also do a credit card verification thing on their forums, but even if it's a secure connection,  some parents may not want to give out their credit card number (I can see why with all the credit card fraud going around these days). Also, a child could forge the card information, making it look like the parent gave permission when they actually haven't.

And one more thing: Has the COPPA been repealed yet? (See my first post in this topic.)

20 (edited by scottywz 2005-04-25 16:03)

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The ScottyWZ.COM Forums Rules read:

NO PROFANITY, Spam, OBSCENE AND/OR PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES, RUDE POSTS, DEFAMATORY AND/OR HARASSING REMARKS, AND/OR ANY ADVERTISMENTS EXCEPT WEB SITE OR COMPANY LOGOS ARE PERMITTED ON THE ScottyWZ.COM Forums.

If you are under the age of 21, DO NOT post ANY personal information; if you are under legal age in your place of residence (usually 18 years of age in the U.S.), it is recommended that you seek and obtain parental permission before registering for the ScottyWZ.COM Forums. If you are 21 years of age or older, DO NOT post ANY personal information of ANY person under the age of 21.

These rules may be modified at any time without notice. Any user not abiding by these terms will be banned from the ScottyWZ.COM Forums.

Those are the rules for my forums. This way, anyone posting the info of a person under 21 (whether they are that person or not) will be banned from the forums.

Everyone has to agree to these rules, so I just put them in 72 point font and the word NO
in 144 point font. It pretty much makes them stand out.

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fortunatly for firefox users your bandly nested tags mean we only get a big no, 72pt font is crap, just annoys the hell out of users and makes it impossible to read

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I fixed it the oter day back to normal size, Connorhd.