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Last edited by Ign1111 (2005-03-04 18:53:41)
What's wrong with the one on the downloads page?
What's wrong with the one on the downloads page?
Why wrong?
It's my translation 
, code page: win1251, administration control panel inclusive too translate.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.2. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
K ñîæàëåíèþ, â âåðñèè 1.2 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïåðåâîäîì "by" â ñëó÷àå àâòîðà ïîñëåäíåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ è ñîçäàòåëÿ òîïèêà. Ãîâîðèòü âåçäå "îñòàâèë" íåêîððåêòíî, ò. ê. òåìà "ñîçäà¸òñÿ" à ñîîáùåíèå "îñòàâëÿåòñÿ":
http://adsh.ukrweb.net/radiohobby/viewt … 9957#p9957
 îáùåì - ÿ ïîïðîñèë àâòîðà ðàçäåëèòü ýòî íà äâå ÷àñòè:
http://punbb.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=37007#p37007
Last edited by adsh (2005-03-10 04:28:24)
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.3.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.4.
Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
Íåìíîæêî çàïîçäàë ïðàâäà.
K ñîæàëåíèþ, â âåðñèè 1.2 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïåðåâîäîì "by" â ñëó÷àå àâòîðà ïîñëåäíåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ è ñîçäàòåëÿ òîïèêà. Ãîâîðèòü âåçäå "îñòàâèë" íåêîððåêòíî, ò. ê. òåìà "ñîçäà¸òñÿ" à ñîîáùåíèå "îñòàâëÿåòñÿ":
 ïðèíöèïå ìîæíî áûëî áû êîíå÷íî ïîñòàâèòü "îò", íî êàê-òî ìíå íå î÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ. 
 îáùåì - ÿ ïîïðîñèë àâòîðà ðàçäåëèòü ýòî íà äâå ÷àñòè:
Àãà, îí âçäîæíóë è ìíîãîçíà÷èìî ñêàçàë, îõ óæ ýòà ëîêàëèçàöèÿ. 
Äà óæ .
Êñòàòè - â 1.2.4 óæå øòàòíî ïîôèêñèëè ðóññêóþ "Ê".
Êðîìå òîãî - ÿ äàë ó ñåáÿ íà ôîðóìå çàïðîñ èç FAQ ïî stopwords:
SELECT sw.word, COUNT(sm.post_id) AS hits FROM search_words AS sw INNER JOIN search_matches AS sm ON sw.id = sm.word_id GROUP BY sw.id ORDER BY hits DESC LIMIT 500Ñëîâ 200 (!) ìîæíî ñìåëî çàíîñèòü â èãíîð. Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî áÎëüøóþ ÷àñòü áàçû (ïî ðàçìåðó) çàíèìàþò êàê ðàç ñëîâà äëÿ ïîèñêà.
lang/Russian/common.php
'Write message legend' => 'Íàïèøèòå Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è îòïðàâüòå åãî',
lang/Russian/common.php
'Write message legend' => 'Íàïèøèòå Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è îòïðàâüòå åãî',
Ýòî âñìûñëå ìÿãêèé çíàê ïðîïóñòèë? Õîðîøî, â ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè èñïðàâëþ. 
Ãîñïîäà!
À êàê ó íàñ ñî ñïåëë÷åêîì? Â÷åðà ðåøèë ïðîâåðèòü ðóññêèé ïåðåâîä ñ ñàéòà PunBB, òàê ëÿïîâ òàì âûøå êðûøè - ïî÷òè 10k ïàò÷ ïîëó÷èëñÿ.
Åñëè êòî õî÷åò ïîñìîòðåòü, äîáàâèòü - áðàòü òóò, òàì åùå äîáàâëåí ïåðåâîä äëÿ ãîëîñîâàíèÿ (punpoll) è äëÿ çàãðóçîê (uploader).
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.5. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
cp1251 SUX! So I recode this into UTF-8. Please do the same.
Last edited by Deadman (2005-04-13 03:14:59)
Almost nobody in Russia uses utf-8. It's too hard to recode it without external tools..
cp1251/koi8-r/cp866 are good old codepages, that everybody knows, and the main advantage - they are widespreaded and easy to recode/render without any external library.
Besides cyrillic text in utf-8 will be as big as in utf-16.
Almost nobody in Russia uses utf-8.
Are you really sure? Can you give some links to prove it?
It's too hard to recode it without external tools..
Maybe it is... for Wendows users, which also SUX!
cp1251/koi8-r/cp866 are good old codepages, that everybody knows,
LOL! Do you really KNOW all this encodings? I don't!
and the main advantage - they are widespreaded and easy to recode/render without any external library.
Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
without any external library.
What external library means? May be you use wrong operation system?
Besides cyrillic text in utf-8 will be as big as in utf-16.
So what? Some webdevelopers put in their sites really huge advertisement swf/gif/jpg -files and organize monstrous banners-exchange nets, and nobody cares it!
Deadman, ïîãîâîðèì ïî-ðóññêè. Åñëè òû íå çíàêîì ñ êèðèëëè÷åñêèìè êîäèðîâêàìè, òî ýòî ñîâñåì íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îíè "äåðüìî" êàê òû âûðàçèëñÿ. ×òî æ ïîäåëàòü, ðàç â ìèðå êîïòñêî-êèðèëëè÷åñêèé àëôàâèò îñòàåòñÿ áåç äîëæíîãî óâàæåíèÿ è ïî÷òåíèÿ.
Äà, ÿ çíàþ ýòè êîäèðîâêè (cp1251/cp866/koi8-r) çíàþ äîñòàòî÷íî ïîäðîáíî.
Íàñ÷åò áàííåðíûõ ñèñòåì è âñÿêîé êàðòèíî÷íîé ÷óõíè - íå â êàññó. PunBB è îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò îñòàëüíûõ ÏÎÏÑÎÂÛÕ ôîðóìîâ òåì, ÷òî íå ïåðåãðóæåí âñÿêîé ãàëèìàòüåé. È ïîâåðü - äîôèãà ëþäåé áåñÿò âñå ýòè ðåêëàìû, è proxymitron è äðóãèå òóëçû î÷åíü ïîìîãàþò îò íèõ èçáàâèòüñÿ.
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ. Ìû è ñ koi8/cp1251 îáîéäåìñÿ.
Âîí, ïî÷òîâàÿ ñèñòåìà îò íà÷àëà ñâîåãî koi8-r èñïîëüçóåò.. è ïîíûíå.
Last edited by Dexus (2005-04-15 03:30:54)
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ìäà.... Â Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò. òàê ÷òî íàõ..íàõ...
ÇÛ è ðàç óæ òû íà ðóññêîì ôîðóìå - ïèøè ïî-ðóññêè, íàõ íèêîìó íå íóæíû òâîè âûåæîíû ñ àíãë. ÿçûêîì
Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
If you use locale cp1251 or koi8-r, for correct viewing character in russian per utf8, you mast recode filesystem. utf8 compatible with iso-8859-1. utf8 not compatible with iso-8859-5/cp1251/koi8-r.
May be you use wrong operation system?
I'm use Linux and what? I used utf8 and get many problems. Now I us koi8-u because less problem.
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ.
Íó, è êóäà âñå äåíóòñÿ, êîãäà ìàéêðîñîôò íà÷í¸ò íàâÿçûâàòü óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ? À îíè çàèíòåðåñîâàíû â ïðîäâèæåíèè utf...
 Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
Ñòàíäàðòà ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷¸òó â Ðîññèè íåò. Âñå ñòàíäàðòû äèêòóþò áóðæóè. 
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò.
utf8 íîðìàëüíî ðàáîòàåò è îñîáûõ óñèëèé ÿ íå çàòðà÷èâàë, êîãäà ñòàâèë ñèñòåìó íà utf-8. ß íå âñòðå÷àë (âåðíåå íå èñïîëüçîâàë) ïðîã, êîòîðûå ðàáîòàþò íåêîððåêòíî ñ utf. Íî òàêàÿ ïðîáëåìà âñ¸ æå åñòü, ÷òî ïå÷àëüíî.  ñìûñëå åù¸ ïîääåðæêà utf íå äîñòèãëà òîãî æå óðîâíÿ, ÷òî è cp1251/koi8. À âîò ëþäè ãîâîðÿò (êîòîðûå èñïîëüçóþò utf), ÷òî ïðîãå ïðè çàïóñêå ìîæíî óêàçàòü, êàêóþ êîäèðîâêó èñïîëüçîâàòü.
ñòàíäàðò ñîñòîèò íå â òîì, ÷òî "îáúÿâëåíî", à ÷òî "ïðèíÿòî".
È utf-8 ÍÅ ÏÐÈÍßÒÎ, â ñâîåì áîëüøèíñòâå, â Ðîññèè.
Ïîëüçà îò utf ìîæåò áûòü òîëüêî äëÿ òåõ ñòðàíè÷åê, â êîòîðûõ ìåøàíèíà âñåõ ÿçûêîâ. È ÷àñòî òàêîå íàäî???
Deadman, anyways, using of utf-8 for russian sites will DOUBLE server's and people's bandwidth. It doesn't make any profit, and furthermore, it's a huge disadvantage.
You may keep this coding for international sites.
Deadman, ïîãîâîðèì ïî-ðóññêè. Åñëè òû íå çíàêîì ñ êèðèëëè÷åñêèìè êîäèðîâêàìè, òî ýòî ñîâñåì íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îíè "äåðüìî" êàê òû âûðàçèëñÿ.
Âñ¸ òàêè îíè äåðüìî, õîòÿ ÿ è íå ñîâñåì òàê âûðàçèëñÿ, îñîáåííî êîè8. Äóìàþ íå íàäî îáúÿñíÿòü ïî÷åìó.
×òî æ ïîäåëàòü, ðàç â ìèðå êîïòñêî-êèðèëëè÷åñêèé àëôàâèò îñòàåòñÿ áåç äîëæíîãî óâàæåíèÿ è ïî÷òåíèÿ.
Íó, ýòî ñîâñåì íå òàê. Âçÿòü, õîòÿ áû iso-8859-5, ê ïðèìåðó. Âîò ÷åãî íå ñëåäîâàëî äîïóñêàòü, òàê ýòî òàêîãî çîîïàðêà.
Äà, ÿ çíàþ ýòè êîäèðîâêè (cp1251/cp866/koi8-r) çíàþ äîñòàòî÷íî ïîäðîáíî.
Òîãäà çà÷åì òåáå external libraries, êîãäà òû ñâîáîäíî ìîæåøü â õåêñ-ðåäàêòîðå è òàê âñ¸ ïðî÷èòàòü:-)
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ. Ìû è ñ koi8/cp1251 îáîéäåìñÿ.
Íåáëàãîäàðíûå, äëÿ âàñ ñòàðàþòñÿ æå. Õîðîøî ÷òî ñíîáû, âðîäå âàñ, îãðàíè÷èâàþòñÿ ýòèì ôîðóìîì, à òî äî ñèõ íà ëàìïàõ ñèäåëè áû, à íå íà ýòèõ "áóðæóéñêèõ" ìèêðîïðîöåññîðàõ.
Âîí, ïî÷òîâàÿ ñèñòåìà îò íà÷àëà ñâîåãî koi8-r èñïîëüçóåò.. è ïîíûíå.
Âñ¸ òå÷¸ò, âñ¸ ìåíÿåòñÿ...
P.S. ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî èäåàëüíûì ðåøåíèåì ïðîáëåìû, áûëî áû ââåäåíèÿ íà ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì óðîâíå òðàíñëèòà, êàê â ÿïîíèè íàïðèìåð, è ñî âðåìåíåì - îòêàç îò êèðèëèöû, íî ýòî óæ ÷åðåç÷óð ðàäèêàëüíî.
Deadman, anyways, using of utf-8 for russian sites will DOUBLE server's and people's bandwidth. It doesn't make any profit, and furthermore, it's a huge disadvantage.
You may keep this coding for international sites.
That's not true. Nobody reject compression.
2 ìåðòâûéòèï:
ìäà.... Â Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
Òîãäà óæ ëó÷øå iso-8859-5.
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò..
Òðàõàòüñÿ âîâñå íå íàäî. Ðóññôèêàöèÿ *nix â utf8 ìàëî ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ðóññèôèêàöèè â êîè8.
90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò..
utf-8 íå ïîääåðæèâàþò íåêîòîðûå ñòàðûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ èñïîëüçóþùèå ïñåâäî-ãðàôèêó. Äëÿ êîíñîëüíûõ ïðèëîæåíèé òàêîé ïðîáëåìû íå ìîæåò áûòü ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ, à äëÿ ïðèëîæåíèé ñ ãðàôè÷åñêèì èíòåðôåéñîì ýòîé ïðîáëåìû óæå äàâíî íå ñóùåñòâóåò.
ÇÛ è ðàç óæ òû íà ðóññêîì ôîðóìå - ïèøè ïî-ðóññêè, íàõ íèêîìó íå íóæíû òâîè âûåæîíû ñ àíãë. ÿçûêîì
Ïðîñòî ïåðâûé ïîñò ïðî cp1251 áûë íà àíãëèéñêîì, êñòàòè íàãëÿäíî ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàë ÷òî cp1251 - îòñòîé.
ñòàíäàðò ñîñòîèò íå â òîì, ÷òî "îáúÿâëåíî", à ÷òî "ïðèíÿòî".
È utf-8 ÍÅ ÏÐÈÍßÒÎ, â ñâîåì áîëüøèíñòâå, â Ðîññèè.Ïîëüçà îò utf ìîæåò áûòü òîëüêî äëÿ òåõ ñòðàíè÷åê, â êîòîðûõ ìåøàíèíà âñåõ ÿçûêîâ. È ÷àñòî òàêîå íàäî???
Ïîëüçà îò utf çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè(ïîääåðæêå âñåõ âèäîâ ïèñüìåííîñòè), ÷òî â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè îáëåã÷àåò ðàçðàáîòêó ïî, â òîì ÷èñëå è âåá-îðèåíèðîâàííîãî.
Deadman wrote:Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
If you use locale cp1251 or koi8-r, for correct viewing character in russian per utf8, you mast recode filesystem. utf8 compatible with iso-8859-1. utf8 not compatible with iso-8859-5/cp1251/koi8-r.
IMHO, you should be a perverse to use cp1251 on unixlike systems.
Deadman, ñæàòûå ñòðàíè÷êè âî 1-õ - ïîääåðæèâàþò íå âñå ñåðâåðà, âî 2-õ - íå âñå êëèåíòà, â 3-õ - äàæå áóäó÷è ñæàòûìè îíè áóäóòü íàìíîãî áîëüøå ÷åì ñæàòûå íà koi8-r/cp1251.
Ïîëüçà îò utf çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè(ïîääåðæêå âñåõ âèäîâ ïèñüìåííîñòè), ÷òî â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè îáëåã÷àåò ðàçðàáîòêó ïî, â òîì ÷èñëå è âåá-îðèåíèðîâàííîãî.
 Ðîññèè íóæíî òîëüêî 2 âèäà ïèñüìåííîñòè: êèðèëëèöà è ëàòèíèöà. koi8-r/cp1251 âïîëíå óäîâëåòâîðÿþò ýòè íóæäû. Ïåðåêîäèðîâùèê èç îäíîé â äðóãóþ êàæäûé ïðîãðàììèñò â íà÷àëå ñâîåé äåÿòåëüíîñòè äåëàåò. Íèêàêèõ "èçâðàùåíèé" â ýòîì íåò.
Êàê ÿ óæå ñêàçàë - ÿ äîïóñêàþ utf-8 â èíòåðíàöèîíàëüíûõ, à íå ðóññêèõ ñàéòàõ, è â îáû÷íûõ ïðèëîæåíèÿõ.
Èñïîëüçîâàíèå utf-8 â ðåãóëÿðíîì ñàéòîñòðîèòåëüñòâå ìàëî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò äîêóìåíòîîáîðîòà â RTF. Òîæå - äîñòàòî÷íî óíèâåðñàëüíàÿ êîäèðîâêà. È äàæå êàðòèíêè âíåäðÿþòñÿ.
Íî ýòî - èçâðàò. Ýòî "òèïà ðàñøèðåíèå" êîäèðîâîê âûõîäèò áîêîì äëÿ êàðìàíà è íåðâîâ. Ìíîãî ëè ïðîãðàìì ñòàðûõ ïîääåðæèâàþò åãî?
È â þíèêñàõ cp1251 èñïîëüçóåòñÿ âïîëíå òàê áåç ïðîáëåì. Ïåðåêîäèðîâùèêè íà êàæäîì øàãó âàëÿþòñÿ.
Âîñïîëüçóéòåñü ïðèíöèïîì îêêàìà - íå ðàçìíîæàéòå ñóùíîñòåé áåç íàäîáíîñòè. Íèêòî îñîáî íå ñòðàäàë áåç utf-8.
ÇÛ: Ïî òîíó òâîèõ ñîîáùåíèé ìîãó äîáàâèòü: îñòàâü ñâîè êîñìîïîëèòè÷åñêèå èäåè äëÿ ñâîèõ ïîòîìêîâ. Íå ñòîèò ïåðåêëàäûâàòü íåíàâèñòü ê ÿçûêó â ñâîþ êàæäîäíåâíóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü. Ìîæíî ïëîõî êîí÷èòü (íåðâû íå âîññòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ).
Last edited by Dexus (2005-04-16 08:48:07)
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