Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

sirena wrote:
NetworkShadow wrote:
Dr.Jeckyl wrote:

MacThemes

i was searching if the iPhone had theme capabilities and found this.

I'm a mod on this forum. They've also just updated the layout.

You should have a look at it using IE6 sometime. While it looks great in Opera, Firefox etc, it is a real dogs breakfast in IE6. What a mess. Mainly due to IE PNG non-transparency issues I suspect but perhaps also some bad CSS or JS. The top ad bar has gone completely wonky and the ads literally sit on top of the site logo and the left half of the menu. And the text in the 'Staff Contact Us Powered by PunBB RSS' section is showing up as white on white invisible. And the image background has broken up all over the place too. Etc. Pass it on.

Thanks. Somehow I doubt they care about IE 6, being a Mac forum and all.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

NetworkShadow wrote:

Somehow I doubt they care about IE 6, being a Mac forum and all.

I'm not a Mac user but I don't care much about IE6 either.

I think we've reached a point in alternative browser penetration that IE has become less important. Yes, I look at my Apache logs and on some sites IE is in the lead, by a small percentage, but on other sites, it trails badly.

If I check a site against W3C and it contains no errors and it looks good in Firefox and Opera and Safari and Konqueror, well then, that's all I need to know. The IE users just need to upgrade to a compliant browser, welcome to the World Wide Web.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

hcgtv wrote:

The IE users just need to upgrade to a compliant browser, welcome to the World Wide Web.

Hell, that's almost like stepping back 10 years to where it was commonplace to see messages saying that you needed a certain browser to view a site. That is progress is it?

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

NetworkShadow wrote:

Thanks. Somehow I doubt they care about IE 6, being a Mac forum and all.

So we only ever use and browse from one machine running one O.S, do we? Remind me never to browse the BSD sites from a windoze machine again then, if your methodology applies to all.

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http://plugins.movalog.com/forums/

Boring implementation. They need to update their PunBB version too.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

hcgtv wrote:

The IE users just need to upgrade to a compliant browser, welcome to the World Wide Web.

Try telling that to your corporate IT department sometime if you are in some huge business or govt agency lol

There are more than just individual end users out there to worry about.

I also still believe good web developers should provide a good experience to most web users based on a coherant design philosophy. I like approaches like Yahoo's UI Guidelines to this:

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/

IE6 is still certainly there....

Even if the site progressively and elegantly degraded to drop off some FF or Opera or mac specific fanciness that would be OK and I'd consider that 'support for IE6'.

But big chunks of the forum in question just plain break in IE6 - like the ad images going walkabout up into the forum header.

This suggests to me that they have written some in-elegant CSS or jscript somewhere, rather than the problems (except for the PNG transparency issue perhaps) being IE6 specific.

There are LOTS of CSS etc heavy sites that look as beautiful on IE6 as any other modish browser. I can spend all day browsing the CSS Garden examples with nary a problem cropping up in IE6, for example.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

sirena wrote:
hcgtv wrote:

The IE users just need to upgrade to a compliant browser, welcome to the World Wide Web.

Try telling that to your corporate IT department sometime if you are in some huge business or govt agency lol

No IT department wants to cause themselves work, so they'll stick with whatever they are running until the users or their bosses start complaining. Been there, done that.

If we still cater to IE6, IT depts have no reason to upgrade cause whatever browser their users use to work on their Intranets works just fine on the Internet. Now if Betty from accounting uses IE6 to enter orders and then decides to go out to the Net and investigate something she may need for said order and the site she visits looks like sh*t, then she'll complain. Same goes for the boss, who probably has no proxy filtering his moves, he'd be the first one to call Bob in IT and say, hey dude, how come sites are starting to look bad to me?

We have to start somewhere, cause for the most part users have no clue, they need an education and the only way to give it to them is by example: Phasing out support for IE 6 across all 37signals products on August 15, 2008

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

hcgtv wrote:
sirena wrote:
hcgtv wrote:

The IE users just need to upgrade to a compliant browser, welcome to the World Wide Web.

Try telling that to your corporate IT department sometime if you are in some huge business or govt agency lol

No IT department wants to cause themselves work, so they'll stick with whatever they are running until the users or their bosses start complaining. Been there, done that.

That was merely one example. There are many more conditions. There are many reasons why people may be running older setups, either through preference or literally through no choice of their own, but exist they do. If designing to cater for them meant screwing things up for everyone else, then yes, I could see the methodology behind not supporting them. That isn't the case, however. You can easily serve a basic stylesheet specifically for them, if your normal stylesheet causes problems with older/non-compliant browsers.

It's poor form, pure and simple. Design for all or design for none. There are caveats that have no workaround in some cases, but there is still no excuse to make it look a bag of crap unless they're using one of *your* preferred browsers.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Indeed, MattF.

To steal a quote from the bottom of the YUI link I posted above:

Graded Browser Support provides an inclusive definition of support and a framework for taming the ever-expanding world of browsers and frontend technologies.

Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web and director of the W3C, has said it best:

“Anyone who slaps a ‘this page is best viewed with Browser X’ label on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network.”

This BTW doesn't mean that pages should only support the lowest common denominator interface - eg browsing on a mobile phone using Opera Mini or using Lynx.

This whole 'upgrade your browser to use this site' issue is of course similar to the issue of sites that make their interfaces totally Flash dependent, sometimes even requiring a specific version of Flash to be installed in your browser. That's pretty stupid too, and annoying, esp for people like me who don't let Flash run in my browser.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

MattF & sirena,

Let's agree to disagree.

Life is not fair; get used to it.
Bill Gates

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

hcgtv wrote:

MattF & sirena,

Let's agree to disagree.

I'd think you were turning soft if we didn't. big_smile

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Yes. We were drifting a bit off topic.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

http://www.baara.com/q10/support

Support forum for Q10. 'Q10 is a simple but powerful [freeware, Windows only] text editor designed and built with writers in mind.'

Stock standard Oxygen punbb install.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Don't know if anyone posted this yet: http://www.quommunication.com/forum/

Modded a bit, and it looks like they removed the copyright/credit sad

Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

yeah, http://www.campidiot.com  is another one which has removed the copyright.

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GT wrote:

Don't know if anyone posted this yet: http://www.quommunication.com/forum/

Nice, really nice.

As for the copyright, Rickard had already stated a while back that it was fine to remove it and PunBB 1.2.19 does not contain the line in a default install.

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

This is a notable PunBB forum, not for the style or anything, but for the organisation running the forum:

http://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/

They run a very useful anti forum-spam service. Their IP blacklist is very handy...

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http://www.quickpar.org.uk/forum/

Plain vanilla Oxygen style, about 5000 members. Registration page features reCAPTCHA integration.

QuickPar is a handy utility for creating Parity Volumes using the Reed Solomon algorithm. Parity Volumes may be used to verify that a set of files have not been corrupted, or to reconstruct damaged files (providing that you have a sufficient quantity of Parity Volumes to match the missing or damaged files).

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Not sure if it's been posted, but http://bbs.archlinux.org/.  Arch is a rather large distro.

If you need any PunBB 1.2.* mods done, feel free to send me a PM; we can work out a price [if need be].

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Posted by Anatoly on a different topic: http://forum.developers.facebook.com/

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Interesting to see what can be done with punbb 1.2 with some creativity:
http://dev.netvibes.com/forum/index.php

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Re: Post your "in the wild" siting of PunBB here.

Garciat wrote:

Posted by Anatoly on a different topic: http://forum.developers.facebook.com/

I was on the Facebook developers forum today and loved seeing PunBB being used there. I've been in and around PunBB since way back in 2003. I'm no web developer, just an enthusiast, so it's great to see it out in the wild at such an important place.

KUTGW