Topic: Server Resources & monthly transfer

I'm trying to convince a partner that we should go with punbb not Invision Board for a potentially large forum.
But he is used to Invision and likes the flash & features.
Maybe I can convince him on economic lines (using less monthly transfer).
I've seen stats on this forum about punbb's size & gig-transfer...but how does this compare to other software? Particlularly Invision Board? ie does it use 1/2 as much transfer as a competitive board? only 10% less?
Help me punbb. You're my only hope. :o)

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There was a post just a few days ago by someone who mentioned that he had cut his bandwidth costs down to a third (or something like that). I can't find the post now though :(

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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Just did some local speed testing:

InvisionBoard average speed: 0.00449673271179
punBB average speed: 0.00240712326765

So there is a speed advantage.. thats from 4000 hits on the index.php of both invision and pun, on a 400mhz machine.

Default installation index.php size:

Invision: 4.48kb
punBB: 3.39kb

Size saving. This is of course only on a default installation though, so values might be different once you have added all your forums etc.

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In this thread Krapan talks about Invision/punBB:
http://punbb.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2755&p=3

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Punbb works a as a clock, i use to be on Invision but it takes to much traffic with punbb my traffic costs me 3 times cheaper:))))))

Sweet...

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Ah, that's the one I was talking about.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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See also here, forums are at the bottom:
http://www.english.rk.edu.pl/article7.html

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hcgtv wrote:

See also here, forums are at the bottom:
http://www.english.rk.edu.pl/article7.html

They have got their figures mixed up. It's PunBB which should be in first place with a percentage of 14.69%

Incidentally, is it the absence of templating which is a major contributor to PunBB's performance?

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Paul wrote:

They have got their figures mixed up. It's PunBB which should be in first place with a percentage of 14.69%

Incidentally, is it the absence of templating which is a major contributor to PunBB's performance?

He's going to redo the stats soon. I asked him to add Nucleus to the CMS list. Maybe someone can help him configure punBB to get it into first place.

I think, in punBB's case, it's is also the absence of fluff. I was not surprised to see how phbBB did in the test.

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Thank you for your responses. I thought as much.
And now, properly armed, I'm off on my uphill battle. :o)

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I was wondering if someone would take the time to run a few benchmarks. Nice to see PunBB comes out on top :D Or is it in second place? 1.2 will be faster even.

I would much prefer if he used a real benchmark tool though. ApacheBench comes to mind.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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Rickard wrote:

I would much prefer if he used a real benchmark tool though. ApacheBench comes to mind.

This person is using ApacheBench on a comparison of Postnuke versus Mambo. It's the dicussion of this thread that lead me to the previous one I posted.
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread … &pp=10

I would love to run benchmarks but my system is not up to today's hardware specs.
http://hcgtv.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=19

I'm really having a lot of fun with punBB smile

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While we're on the subject. A benchmark that only fetches one page repeatedly doesn't quite do lean forums such as PunBB and useBB any justice. The larger forums often have loads and loads of images that need to be fetched as well (through individual HTTP requests). People usually forget that it is often Apache that breaks down before i.e. MySQL does. More images, stylesheets, external javascripts etc leads to more HTTP requests which leads to more strain on the server. I remember when we got slashdotted over at sweclockers.com. Apache was eating up all the CPU time.

It would have been awesome if someone had taken the time to make a more complete benchmark. Creating identical forums, topics and posts in different forum software and then benchmarking the individual pages via ApacheBench. Download size including images, stylesheets etc. should be included in the equation. There are loads of problems though. What to do with features that A has, but B lacks (especially regarding BBCode)? How do we fill the different forums with the same content? Do we benchmark once with a clean install and once with 50000 posts?

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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hcgtv wrote:

This person is using ApacheBench on a comparison of Postnuke versus Mambo. It's the dicussion of this thread that lead me to the previous one I posted.
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread … &pp=10

Haha! Post-Nuke sure seems like a load of crap. I wonder why it's so popular.

hcgtv wrote:

I would love to run benchmarks but my system is not up to today's hardware specs.
http://hcgtv.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=19

Oooh, a Pentium Pro. I love pro's :)

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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Rickard wrote:

Haha! Post-Nuke sure seems like a load of crap. I wonder why it's so popular.

Caue people coming from frontpage want a plug-and-play cms solution. They don't want to bother learning the why's and how's of their systems. Xaraya is a better nuke spinoff, if the nukes are your thing.

Rickard wrote:

Oooh, a Pentium Pro. I love pro's smile

I picked it up at a Government surplus store for $25. It's been running Debian for the last 2 years like a champ.