1 (edited by snapsolutions 2004-09-08 19:20)

Topic: Forum Rules

I made some rules to protect myself/my company and punbb developers indirectly.
click here. You can use this rules on your forum if needed without any obligations towards me!

cheers

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Nice ruleset. You seem to have covered pretty much everything. However, I believe you can sefely remove the part about PunBB developers. There's a clause in the GPL that takes care of that:

12. IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING
WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MAY MODIFY AND/OR
REDISTRIBUTE THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES,
INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING
OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED
TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY
YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER
PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

IANAL, but I believe Paul is. What's your take on this? :)

In Sweden, there's a very nice law called "BBS-lagen" (the law on responsibilities for electronic bulletin boards). What is says is basically that if anything illegal is posted to an electronic bulletin board, the party hosting/administrating the bulletin boards must do their best to remove it as soon as possible, but they can not be held liable for the contents. I.e. YOU are responsible for what you post to a bulletin board, not the people who moderate/administrate it. The law only applies if the organisation doesn't have a registered editor-in-chief (hardly any Internet entusiast sites do). In that case, the constitutional law on freedom of expression applies instead.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

Re: Forum Rules

Rickard wrote:

Nice ruleset. You seem to have covered pretty much everything. However, I believe you can sefely remove the part about PunBB developers. There's a clause in the GPL that takes care of that:

Alright

In Sweden, there's a very nice law called "BBS-lagen" (the law on responsibilities for electronic bulletin boards). What is says is basically that if anything illegal is posted to an electronic bulletin board, the party hosting/administrating the bulletin boards must do their best to remove it as soon as possible, but they can not be held liable for the contents. I.e. YOU are responsible for what you post to a bulletin board, not the people who moderate/administrate it. The law only applies if the organisation doesn't have a registered editor-in-chief (hardly any Internet entusiast sites do). In that case, the constitutional law on freedom of expression applies instead.

As far as I know, there is no such law in US/Canada. Anyway it doesn' hurt to put some more protection :)

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That clause would probably get you off the hook with a free script. If there is a contract then such clauses don't necessarily work. You might still fall foul of the Supply of Goods and Services Act not to mention the relevant provisions about unfair contract terms. I'm not up to date with internet specific law so there could be exceptions.

As regards liability for whats written. British law is that anybody who publishes something defamatory can he held liable. In this instance that would be the writer of the post and the person running the board. It could also include people running other sites who linked to the post. The ISP could also be made liable if they were made aware of the defamatory content and took no action. In practice however taking appropriate remedial action and apologising will normally be sufficient to get you out of trouble. If a post were in breach of the criminal law then you would probably be screwed because it will be assumed that you knew or ought to have known about the post.

Just making rules saying that posters are not allowed to do something is never sufficient on its own. You always have to take reasonable steps to ensure the rules are being complied with.

There is no reason why the developers of a script should ever be held liable for the use the script is put to. That would be like making Ford liable because one of their cars was used to run somebody down.

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Paul wrote:

There is no reason why the developers of a script should ever be held liable for the use the script is put to. That would be like making Ford liable because one of their cars was used to run somebody down.

I believe that metaphor says it all :)

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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Re: Forum Rules

Paul wrote:

There is no reason why the developers of a script should ever be held liable for the use the script is put to. That would be like making Ford liable because one of their cars was used to run somebody down.

Good thing you didn't use a gun as an example, because that is what they are trying to do here in the states. Hold gun companies liable for violence people cause with them... Sad.

Every Day Above Ground Is A Good One!!

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middleground wrote:

Good thing you didn't use a gun as an example, because that is what they are trying to do here in the states. Hold gun companies liable for violence people cause with them... Sad.

There's more to it than that though. The gun companies are actively marketing their guns towards the, should we say, more questionable buyers. I heard something about a company selling a gun that had a special "anti-fingerprint" coating. If you do that, you're asking for it. I don't know the whole story here, but if there's any truth to that, it's just sick.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

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Yeah, I heard about that too.

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Rickard wrote:
middleground wrote:

Good thing you didn't use a gun as an example, because that is what they are trying to do here in the states. Hold gun companies liable for violence people cause with them... Sad.

There's more to it than that though. The gun companies are actively marketing their guns towards the, should we say, more questionable buyers. I heard something about a company selling a gun that had a special "anti-fingerprint" coating. If you do that, you're asking for it. I don't know the whole story here, but if there's any truth to that, it's just sick.

Yeah I agree that is sick. I'm was referencing some "cities" that were sueing different manufacturers for providing "cheap" handguns, etc. Don't know all the details, been a year or so...

Every Day Above Ground Is A Good One!!

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nice rulse, tho im not realy picky of whats said on my forums cuz its not that popular cept with my friends and some other ppl but i use/edit it. its good tho.

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Gizzmo wrote:

nice rulse, tho im not realy picky of whats said on my forums cuz its not that popular cept with my friends and some other ppl but i use/edit it. its good tho.

I am not picky either, but now-a-days ppl can sue your ass for anything (at least in US/Canada). Better be safe and protected then sorry.