1 Topic by Riddian (edited by Riddian 2007-05-11 09:49)

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Topic: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Hi all,

This isn't the first time I have posted a similar topic here. I did so a few years back but so much has changed since since then. After the initial Logicfury project was closed it was reopened with what is effectively Logicfury2 smile

Anyway I'm posting here to let you know (just in case it's of use to anyone here...) that I have just finished integrating my CMS with my favourite forum software. I thought it was worth a mention since Logicfury and punBB share some similar philosophy's, though I'll admit LF is a little more bloated but still, I think they are quite a good match tongue

What's different from last time I made that similar topic? Well apart from radical changes to Logicfury, it's finally stepped out of beta... but into release candidate lol but at least it's version 1 now. It's pretty stable now, just needs a bit more testing then RC will be renamed final of course. On the punBB bridge side something quite interesting has been going on smile

Using Logicfury with punBB no longer requires any modification of the punBB code what so ever (yay! smile) and you can now install Logicfury with an existing punBB installation and use all of your users on Logicfury or vice versa. A word of caution though, this feature is currently considered experimental, so please back up your database should you decide to trial it!

If your interested in taking a look go to: Logicfury.org.

Thanks you,
Chris

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

What features has the CMS got included by default?

Can categories be created to store sub pages?
has it got a built in search facility?

maybe a full list of features would be nice... or even a demo!

my mind is on a permanent tangent
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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

A list of features would be a good idea tongue
As for a demo that would require some cron job restoring the db every hour or so to ensure peoples "tests" are erased. I don't quite have the time to go about investigating that at the moment sorry.

Regarding categories, the content (pages) module currently has no support for categories sorry but it's certainly something I would be interested in adding. As for the search facility, that's kind of a sore point tongue You see a system has not yet been devised where all modules that should be searchable have a "search plugin" that the main search module picks up. Again, this is another feature I want to implement but at the moment I'm just trying to get a slightly more basic version out and get it stable enough to be released in the hope that some small community might spring up around it and so help better it at a quicker rate (It's currently a one man job).

At the moment I'm working on punBB theme to match Logicfury's I'll try and get a features list done later today though there are quite a lot of features to list smile

4 Reply by Riddian (edited by pogenwurst 2007-05-13 20:30)

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

I have finished my "CleanBlue" theme for punBB which you can see at http://logicfury.org/forum

The feature page is now up to, as for the demo site. I'm have decided as soon as I release the final I'll get onto opensourcecms.com and hopefully they will demo Logicfury.

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

From what I've seen on your site so far, Logicfury looks very good. I'll have to give it a try sometime.

However, during my quick look at the page source I noticed that there are a great many icons added via the IMG tag when they probably should be added via CSS.

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Thanks, regarding the icons being added by CSS, could you please explain why this would be beneficial? Is it for the likes of screen readers? Thanks for the suggestion by the way smile

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

This is by far the MOST complicated CMS to install. I usually never have any problems whatsoever installing these CMS's. I have spent 20 minutes trying and all I get is a blank page over and over again. I had to manually import the sql file via phpmyadmin and then I loaded the site after entering my config info. In this modern day and age that we live in, you would think that there would be an install script. Any developer who can't take the time to write an install script obviously is not catering to everyone. If I had to rate this as a CMS which I can't even get working, I would give it a -1 out of 10. Simply horrible installation method.

Bingiman

8 Reply by Riddian (edited by Riddian 2007-05-13 23:13)

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Sorry to hear that you were unable to install the CMS.

I figured that the only type of people who would be willing to install a release candidate are those who would not mind a bit of tinkering. Also because of the release candidate status I knew a few less tech savvy people would be put off installing by the lack of instillation script it which is a good thing if you consider the fact that it probably still has a few bugs.

I have now added a notice on the downloads page warning people about the lack of installation script.

By the way, there's no need to vent your frustration for not being able to install the CMS on the developer. You could try asking him for help instead? I would be more than happy to help you install it and have, when time permits, installed it for others even.

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Sorry for my blatant honesty. I did read your post at the top but I am merely stating my opinion. Whether it is constructive or not, it simply makes no sense to me to release it without a proper way of installing it. I just can't understand it. I am not trying to be difficult, just honest and straightforward. I apologize if that has offended you in any way, it was definitely not my intention.

Bingiman

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

You post just as I edited my post, just my luck lol tongue

I do agree with you, releasing it without an installer would be a handicap however please bear in mind this is not the "official" release, more of a preview if you will.

No offence taken and thanks for the apology smile

11 Reply by bingiman (edited by bingiman 2007-05-13 23:19)

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Well, I will wait until it is released with an installer. I really wanted to get it installed on my local PC because it looks interesting and not to mention punBB can be used with it. I have been dying to see an integration like this.

Bingiman

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Riddian wrote:

Thanks, regarding the icons being added by CSS, could you please explain why this would be beneficial? Is it for the likes of screen readers? Thanks for the suggestion by the way smile

It would have some benefit in not confusing screen readers, but the main advantage (in my opinion) is that by putting the image code into an external CSS file and adding ID and/or CLASS attributes to the links, you clean up the markup significantly, saving some bandwidth (good) and making the code prettier (also good, but not all that important).

You might consider using sprites rather than individual image files as well, but it might confuse some people trying to edit the icons.

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Okay fair point. It's easily done because all of the icons are defined in one array including their <img> code so replacing that one file and making an extra CSS file would get the job done... however. There is one small problem. The images that are in the navigation bar and the menu block are placed in with bbcode which you can edit from the navigation area. If I shoved some CSS in there I think that might throw a few people off :S

As of yet I can't see a way round this without some terribly overcomplicated solution. I think it depends on what your aiming for on your site anyway. That one file that the icons are defined is part of the template anyway, so simply by swapping a theme you could choose to implement the smilies via CCS and perhaps getting rid of the icons in the navigation bar wouldn't trouble some people. Not sure what to do regarding this yet, I'll mull it over some more. Thanks for the feedback smile

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Well, thanks for listening. smile

It's of course totally up to you which route you take with the images (although if I end up using Logicfury for the project I'm planning I'll certainly change them tongue ).

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

No no, thank you for the feedback lol.

I did try to implement the idea today, however it didn't work out. I managed to get all the icons showing up all over the place and couldn't fix it. On punBB it's simple because it's just a case of one icon in a table cell. On Logicfury you can have text, then an icon, then some more text.

The difference on the front page size was 2.7KB. I'm still interesting in doing it but I wish I had spent those lost hours working on an install script instead tongue

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Riddian wrote:

The difference on the front page size was 2.7KB. I'm still interesting in doing it but I wish I had spent those lost hours working on an install script instead tongue

yes, yes...I agree..I am anxiously waiting. big_smile

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Actually I'm working on that script now, now that I have admitted defeat where the CSS icons were concerned smile

You'll be pleased to hear that I am thinking of releasing another release candidate (how many will there be?!?), simply to add the include script, well, it's not just a script there's a few changes made to other files for the sake of the install system hence the need for another release. Plus there's theme update and a few other small fixes I can include.

Since there's no bug reports flying in I'll assume it safe to make LF more easily accessible, but then again I don't have a great deal of people testing the system either tongue

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Well, this is great news. I am dying to install it and look it over. Especially the theme system which is my strong point.

Bingiman a.k.a Shedrock

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Re: Logicfury (Lightweight CMS) and punBB

Another release is here, this time with an installer as bingiman requested and sub-pages as Rich requested and the usual torrent of bug fixes and tweaks. A final is looking close indeed smile