Topic: Table-less layout

Is there a plan to later ditch tables and go with CSS layout? It's a good idea and I'm well aware how much of a pain it will be. Just curious.


Re: Table-less layout

Well, using anything but tables to display tabular data such as the contents of index.php, viewforum.php and search.php wouldn't make sense semantically.

"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."


Re: Table-less layout

Actually it would make sense but only if you displayed it in a non-tabular way. For instance a table containing names and addresses could be displayed as a table but it could also be displayed as an address label. Either would be valid. In each case the question is not just whether we are dealing with tabular data but whether a tabular layout is the best way of presenting the data. In the case of index.php and viewforum.php I happend to think it is. What is not valid is displaying tabular data in a tabular format and then faking the tabular format with a bunch of divs or lists.

Once you move away from the idea of a tabular presentation of the data doing a tableless design is childs play. I could knock out tableless versions of index and viewforum in a matter of a few minutes.

Take a look at the index page of the forum at accessify. Thats a tabless phpbb which is semantically correct because it isn't a tabular layout. The only catch is it would look like crud with smaller text on a wide display smile

Re: Table-less layout

Well, and there are browsers being used, that do not support CSS.

For example the "Index » PunBB discussions » Table-less layout" at the top looks like this in w3m:

  * Index
  *  » PunBB discussions
  *  » Table-less layout

Oh, fun... mark this stuff in Mozilla, right-click -> Copy, and the right click in an input field like the one you type your message in -> paste: It looks nearly like in w3m wink

Re: Table-less layout

If browsers cant handle css then the whole page degrades nicely. Which is where the sematic layout helps as everything falls where it should.


Re: Table-less layout

And having one millions <div>s doesn't help those browsers at all. Stuff just lies unsorted around. Very stupid.
So having stuff semanticly right is important!

Re: Table-less layout

The advantages aren't worth the effort.

Re: Table-less layout

*sniff* I feel defeated



Re: Table-less layout

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<ul><li>Topics: 10</li><li>Posts: 33</li><li><a href="">Last post</a></li></ul>

There you are, a semantically correct tableless index page which will look fine in a text only browser and can be styled to look like anything you fancy (apart that is from a table). Whats the problem. Nest it in a div or two for styling and its still semantically correct.

Re: Table-less layout

I have an idea for a layout that isn't very table-like. When it's up I'll show you. But I know you are right... as it stands, the way it is currently is semantically correct.


Re: Table-less layout

We await BwongarBoard with eager anticipation  - yes I did visit your website smile

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Re: Table-less layout

HAHAHAHA. Thanks. But it is not intended as a replacement for PunBB. It's mostly to be a custom forum freely downloadable smile