Topic: Русский перевод PunBB
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Linux 4ever!
1 2005-02-19 15:00 (edited by Ign1111 2005-03-04 18:53)
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
What's wrong with the one on the downloads page?
"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Rickard wrote:
What's wrong with the one on the downloads page?
Why wrong?
It's my translation 
, code page: win1251, administration control panel inclusive too translate.
Linux 4ever!
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.2. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
Linux 4ever!
5 2005-03-10 04:25 (edited by adsh 2005-03-10 04:28)
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
K ñîæàëåíèþ, â âåðñèè 1.2 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïåðåâîäîì "by" â ñëó÷àå àâòîðà ïîñëåäíåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ è ñîçäàòåëÿ òîïèêà. Ãîâîðèòü âåçäå "îñòàâèë" íåêîððåêòíî, ò. ê. òåìà "ñîçäà¸òñÿ" à ñîîáùåíèå "îñòàâëÿåòñÿ":
http://adsh.ukrweb.net/radiohobby/viewt … 9957#p9957
 îáùåì - ÿ ïîïðîñèë àâòîðà ðàçäåëèòü ýòî íà äâå ÷àñòè:
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.3.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.4.
Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
Íåìíîæêî çàïîçäàë ïðàâäà.
adsh wrote:
K ñîæàëåíèþ, â âåðñèè 1.2 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïåðåâîäîì "by" â ñëó÷àå àâòîðà ïîñëåäíåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ è ñîçäàòåëÿ òîïèêà. Ãîâîðèòü âåçäå "îñòàâèë" íåêîððåêòíî, ò. ê. òåìà "ñîçäà¸òñÿ" à ñîîáùåíèå "îñòàâëÿåòñÿ":
 ïðèíöèïå ìîæíî áûëî áû êîíå÷íî ïîñòàâèòü "îò", íî êàê-òî ìíå íå î÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ. 
adsh wrote:
 îáùåì - ÿ ïîïðîñèë àâòîðà ðàçäåëèòü ýòî íà äâå ÷àñòè:
Àãà, îí âçäîæíóë è ìíîãîçíà÷èìî ñêàçàë, îõ óæ ýòà ëîêàëèçàöèÿ. 
Linux 4ever!
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Äà óæ .
Êñòàòè - â 1.2.4 óæå øòàòíî ïîôèêñèëè ðóññêóþ "Ê".
Êðîìå òîãî - ÿ äàë ó ñåáÿ íà ôîðóìå çàïðîñ èç FAQ ïî stopwords:
SELECT sw.word, COUNT(sm.post_id) AS hits FROM search_words AS sw INNER JOIN search_matches AS sm ON sw.id = sm.word_id GROUP BY sw.id ORDER BY hits DESC LIMIT 500Ñëîâ 200 (!) ìîæíî ñìåëî çàíîñèòü â èãíîð. Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî áÎëüøóþ ÷àñòü áàçû (ïî ðàçìåðó) çàíèìàþò êàê ðàç ñëîâà äëÿ ïîèñêà.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
lang/Russian/common.php
'Write message legend' => 'Íàïèøèòå Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è îòïðàâüòå åãî',
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AlexeyZ wrote:
lang/Russian/common.php
'Write message legend' => 'Íàïèøèòå Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è îòïðàâüòå åãî',
Ýòî âñìûñëå ìÿãêèé çíàê ïðîïóñòèë? Õîðîøî, â ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè èñïðàâëþ. 
Linux 4ever!
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Ãîñïîäà!
À êàê ó íàñ ñî ñïåëë÷åêîì? Â÷åðà ðåøèë ïðîâåðèòü ðóññêèé ïåðåâîä ñ ñàéòà PunBB, òàê ëÿïîâ òàì âûøå êðûøè - ïî÷òè 10k ïàò÷ ïîëó÷èëñÿ.
Åñëè êòî õî÷åò ïîñìîòðåòü, äîáàâèòü - áðàòü òóò, òàì åùå äîáàâëåí ïåðåâîä äëÿ ãîëîñîâàíèÿ (punpoll) è äëÿ çàãðóçîê (uploader).
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.5. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
Linux 4ever!
12 2005-04-13 03:12 (edited by Deadman 2005-04-13 03:14)
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
cp1251 SUX! So I recode this into UTF-8. Please do the same.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Almost nobody in Russia uses utf-8. It's too hard to recode it without external tools..
cp1251/koi8-r/cp866 are good old codepages, that everybody knows, and the main advantage - they are widespreaded and easy to recode/render without any external library.
Besides cyrillic text in utf-8 will be as big as in utf-16.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Dexus wrote:
Almost nobody in Russia uses utf-8.
Are you really sure? Can you give some links to prove it?
Dexus wrote:
It's too hard to recode it without external tools..
Maybe it is... for Wendows users, which also SUX!
Dexus wrote:
cp1251/koi8-r/cp866 are good old codepages, that everybody knows,
LOL! Do you really KNOW all this encodings? I don't!
Dexus wrote:
and the main advantage - they are widespreaded and easy to recode/render without any external library.
Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
Dexus wrote:
without any external library.
What external library means? May be you use wrong operation system?
Dexus wrote:
Besides cyrillic text in utf-8 will be as big as in utf-16.
So what? Some webdevelopers put in their sites really huge advertisement swf/gif/jpg -files and organize monstrous banners-exchange nets, and nobody cares it!
15 2005-04-15 03:28 (edited by Dexus 2005-04-15 03:30)
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Deadman, ïîãîâîðèì ïî-ðóññêè. Åñëè òû íå çíàêîì ñ êèðèëëè÷åñêèìè êîäèðîâêàìè, òî ýòî ñîâñåì íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îíè "äåðüìî" êàê òû âûðàçèëñÿ. ×òî æ ïîäåëàòü, ðàç â ìèðå êîïòñêî-êèðèëëè÷åñêèé àëôàâèò îñòàåòñÿ áåç äîëæíîãî óâàæåíèÿ è ïî÷òåíèÿ.
Äà, ÿ çíàþ ýòè êîäèðîâêè (cp1251/cp866/koi8-r) çíàþ äîñòàòî÷íî ïîäðîáíî.
Íàñ÷åò áàííåðíûõ ñèñòåì è âñÿêîé êàðòèíî÷íîé ÷óõíè - íå â êàññó. PunBB è îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò îñòàëüíûõ ÏÎÏÑÎÂÛÕ ôîðóìîâ òåì, ÷òî íå ïåðåãðóæåí âñÿêîé ãàëèìàòüåé. È ïîâåðü - äîôèãà ëþäåé áåñÿò âñå ýòè ðåêëàìû, è proxymitron è äðóãèå òóëçû î÷åíü ïîìîãàþò îò íèõ èçáàâèòüñÿ.
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ. Ìû è ñ koi8/cp1251 îáîéäåìñÿ.
Âîí, ïî÷òîâàÿ ñèñòåìà îò íà÷àëà ñâîåãî koi8-r èñïîëüçóåò.. è ïîíûíå.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
2 ìåðòâûéòèï:
ìäà.... Â Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò. òàê ÷òî íàõ..íàõ...
ÇÛ è ðàç óæ òû íà ðóññêîì ôîðóìå - ïèøè ïî-ðóññêè, íàõ íèêîìó íå íóæíû òâîè âûåæîíû ñ àíãë. ÿçûêîì
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Deadman wrote:
Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
If you use locale cp1251 or koi8-r, for correct viewing character in russian per utf8, you mast recode filesystem. utf8 compatible with iso-8859-1. utf8 not compatible with iso-8859-5/cp1251/koi8-r.
Deadman wrote:
May be you use wrong operation system?
I'm use Linux and what? I used utf8 and get many problems. Now I us koi8-u because less problem.
Dexus wrote:
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ.
Íó, è êóäà âñå äåíóòñÿ, êîãäà ìàéêðîñîôò íà÷í¸ò íàâÿçûâàòü óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ? À îíè çàèíòåðåñîâàíû â ïðîäâèæåíèè utf...
XuMiX wrote:
 Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
Ñòàíäàðòà ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷¸òó â Ðîññèè íåò. Âñå ñòàíäàðòû äèêòóþò áóðæóè. 
XuMiX wrote:
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò.
utf8 íîðìàëüíî ðàáîòàåò è îñîáûõ óñèëèé ÿ íå çàòðà÷èâàë, êîãäà ñòàâèë ñèñòåìó íà utf-8. ß íå âñòðå÷àë (âåðíåå íå èñïîëüçîâàë) ïðîã, êîòîðûå ðàáîòàþò íåêîððåêòíî ñ utf. Íî òàêàÿ ïðîáëåìà âñ¸ æå åñòü, ÷òî ïå÷àëüíî.  ñìûñëå åù¸ ïîääåðæêà utf íå äîñòèãëà òîãî æå óðîâíÿ, ÷òî è cp1251/koi8. À âîò ëþäè ãîâîðÿò (êîòîðûå èñïîëüçóþò utf), ÷òî ïðîãå ïðè çàïóñêå ìîæíî óêàçàòü, êàêóþ êîäèðîâêó èñïîëüçîâàòü.
Linux 4ever!
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
ñòàíäàðò ñîñòîèò íå â òîì, ÷òî "îáúÿâëåíî", à ÷òî "ïðèíÿòî".
È utf-8 ÍÅ ÏÐÈÍßÒÎ, â ñâîåì áîëüøèíñòâå, â Ðîññèè.
Ïîëüçà îò utf ìîæåò áûòü òîëüêî äëÿ òåõ ñòðàíè÷åê, â êîòîðûõ ìåøàíèíà âñåõ ÿçûêîâ. È ÷àñòî òàêîå íàäî???
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Deadman, anyways, using of utf-8 for russian sites will DOUBLE server's and people's bandwidth. It doesn't make any profit, and furthermore, it's a huge disadvantage.
You may keep this coding for international sites.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Dexus wrote:
Deadman, ïîãîâîðèì ïî-ðóññêè. Åñëè òû íå çíàêîì ñ êèðèëëè÷åñêèìè êîäèðîâêàìè, òî ýòî ñîâñåì íå îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îíè "äåðüìî" êàê òû âûðàçèëñÿ.
Âñ¸ òàêè îíè äåðüìî, õîòÿ ÿ è íå ñîâñåì òàê âûðàçèëñÿ, îñîáåííî êîè8. Äóìàþ íå íàäî îáúÿñíÿòü ïî÷åìó.
Dexus wrote:
×òî æ ïîäåëàòü, ðàç â ìèðå êîïòñêî-êèðèëëè÷åñêèé àëôàâèò îñòàåòñÿ áåç äîëæíîãî óâàæåíèÿ è ïî÷òåíèÿ.
Íó, ýòî ñîâñåì íå òàê. Âçÿòü, õîòÿ áû iso-8859-5, ê ïðèìåðó. Âîò ÷åãî íå ñëåäîâàëî äîïóñêàòü, òàê ýòî òàêîãî çîîïàðêà.
Dexus wrote:
Äà, ÿ çíàþ ýòè êîäèðîâêè (cp1251/cp866/koi8-r) çíàþ äîñòàòî÷íî ïîäðîáíî.
Òîãäà çà÷åì òåáå external libraries, êîãäà òû ñâîáîäíî ìîæåøü â õåêñ-ðåäàêòîðå è òàê âñ¸ ïðî÷èòàòü:-)
Dexus wrote:
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ. Ìû è ñ koi8/cp1251 îáîéäåìñÿ.
Íåáëàãîäàðíûå, äëÿ âàñ ñòàðàþòñÿ æå. Õîðîøî ÷òî ñíîáû, âðîäå âàñ, îãðàíè÷èâàþòñÿ ýòèì ôîðóìîì, à òî äî ñèõ íà ëàìïàõ ñèäåëè áû, à íå íà ýòèõ "áóðæóéñêèõ" ìèêðîïðîöåññîðàõ.
Dexus wrote:
Âîí, ïî÷òîâàÿ ñèñòåìà îò íà÷àëà ñâîåãî koi8-r èñïîëüçóåò.. è ïîíûíå.
Âñ¸ òå÷¸ò, âñ¸ ìåíÿåòñÿ...
P.S. ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî èäåàëüíûì ðåøåíèåì ïðîáëåìû, áûëî áû ââåäåíèÿ íà ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì óðîâíå òðàíñëèòà, êàê â ÿïîíèè íàïðèìåð, è ñî âðåìåíåì - îòêàç îò êèðèëèöû, íî ýòî óæ ÷åðåç÷óð ðàäèêàëüíî.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Dexus wrote:
Deadman, anyways, using of utf-8 for russian sites will DOUBLE server's and people's bandwidth. It doesn't make any profit, and furthermore, it's a huge disadvantage.
You may keep this coding for international sites.
That's not true. Nobody reject compression.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
XuMiX wrote:
2 ìåðòâûéòèï:
ìäà.... Â Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
Òîãäà óæ ëó÷øå iso-8859-5.
XuMiX wrote:
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò..
Òðàõàòüñÿ âîâñå íå íàäî. Ðóññôèêàöèÿ *nix â utf8 ìàëî ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ðóññèôèêàöèè â êîè8.
XuMiX wrote:
90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò..
utf-8 íå ïîääåðæèâàþò íåêîòîðûå ñòàðûå ïðèëîæåíèÿ èñïîëüçóþùèå ïñåâäî-ãðàôèêó. Äëÿ êîíñîëüíûõ ïðèëîæåíèé òàêîé ïðîáëåìû íå ìîæåò áûòü ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ, à äëÿ ïðèëîæåíèé ñ ãðàôè÷åñêèì èíòåðôåéñîì ýòîé ïðîáëåìû óæå äàâíî íå ñóùåñòâóåò.
XuMiX wrote:
ÇÛ è ðàç óæ òû íà ðóññêîì ôîðóìå - ïèøè ïî-ðóññêè, íàõ íèêîìó íå íóæíû òâîè âûåæîíû ñ àíãë. ÿçûêîì
Ïðîñòî ïåðâûé ïîñò ïðî cp1251 áûë íà àíãëèéñêîì, êñòàòè íàãëÿäíî ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàë ÷òî cp1251 - îòñòîé.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Dexus wrote:
ñòàíäàðò ñîñòîèò íå â òîì, ÷òî "îáúÿâëåíî", à ÷òî "ïðèíÿòî".
È utf-8 ÍÅ ÏÐÈÍßÒÎ, â ñâîåì áîëüøèíñòâå, â Ðîññèè.Ïîëüçà îò utf ìîæåò áûòü òîëüêî äëÿ òåõ ñòðàíè÷åê, â êîòîðûõ ìåøàíèíà âñåõ ÿçûêîâ. È ÷àñòî òàêîå íàäî???
Ïîëüçà îò utf çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè(ïîääåðæêå âñåõ âèäîâ ïèñüìåííîñòè), ÷òî â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè îáëåã÷àåò ðàçðàáîòêó ïî, â òîì ÷èñëå è âåá-îðèåíèðîâàííîãî.
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Ign1111 wrote:
Deadman wrote:Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
If you use locale cp1251 or koi8-r, for correct viewing character in russian per utf8, you mast recode filesystem. utf8 compatible with iso-8859-1. utf8 not compatible with iso-8859-5/cp1251/koi8-r.
IMHO, you should be a perverse to use cp1251 on unixlike systems.
25 2005-04-16 08:45 (edited by Dexus 2005-04-16 08:48)
Re: Русский перевод PunBB
Deadman, ñæàòûå ñòðàíè÷êè âî 1-õ - ïîääåðæèâàþò íå âñå ñåðâåðà, âî 2-õ - íå âñå êëèåíòà, â 3-õ - äàæå áóäó÷è ñæàòûìè îíè áóäóòü íàìíîãî áîëüøå ÷åì ñæàòûå íà koi8-r/cp1251.
Ïîëüçà îò utf çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè(ïîääåðæêå âñåõ âèäîâ ïèñüìåííîñòè), ÷òî â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè îáëåã÷àåò ðàçðàáîòêó ïî, â òîì ÷èñëå è âåá-îðèåíèðîâàííîãî.
 Ðîññèè íóæíî òîëüêî 2 âèäà ïèñüìåííîñòè: êèðèëëèöà è ëàòèíèöà. koi8-r/cp1251 âïîëíå óäîâëåòâîðÿþò ýòè íóæäû. Ïåðåêîäèðîâùèê èç îäíîé â äðóãóþ êàæäûé ïðîãðàììèñò â íà÷àëå ñâîåé äåÿòåëüíîñòè äåëàåò. Íèêàêèõ "èçâðàùåíèé" â ýòîì íåò.
Êàê ÿ óæå ñêàçàë - ÿ äîïóñêàþ utf-8 â èíòåðíàöèîíàëüíûõ, à íå ðóññêèõ ñàéòàõ, è â îáû÷íûõ ïðèëîæåíèÿõ.
Èñïîëüçîâàíèå utf-8 â ðåãóëÿðíîì ñàéòîñòðîèòåëüñòâå ìàëî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò äîêóìåíòîîáîðîòà â RTF. Òîæå - äîñòàòî÷íî óíèâåðñàëüíàÿ êîäèðîâêà. È äàæå êàðòèíêè âíåäðÿþòñÿ.
Íî ýòî - èçâðàò. Ýòî "òèïà ðàñøèðåíèå" êîäèðîâîê âûõîäèò áîêîì äëÿ êàðìàíà è íåðâîâ. Ìíîãî ëè ïðîãðàìì ñòàðûõ ïîääåðæèâàþò åãî?
È â þíèêñàõ cp1251 èñïîëüçóåòñÿ âïîëíå òàê áåç ïðîáëåì. Ïåðåêîäèðîâùèêè íà êàæäîì øàãó âàëÿþòñÿ.
Âîñïîëüçóéòåñü ïðèíöèïîì îêêàìà - íå ðàçìíîæàéòå ñóùíîñòåé áåç íàäîáíîñòè. Íèêòî îñîáî íå ñòðàäàë áåç utf-8.
ÇÛ: Ïî òîíó òâîèõ ñîîáùåíèé ìîãó äîáàâèòü: îñòàâü ñâîè êîñìîïîëèòè÷åñêèå èäåè äëÿ ñâîèõ ïîòîìêîâ. Íå ñòîèò ïåðåêëàäûâàòü íåíàâèñòü ê ÿçûêó â ñâîþ êàæäîäíåâíóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü. Ìîæíî ïëîõî êîí÷èòü (íåðâû íå âîññòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ).