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CP1251, ????????? ??? ????????, ???????? ? ???? ?????, ? ??? ????? ? ???????????, ? ???????????? ????????. ???????? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????????? ? koi8-r, ?? ?????? ? koi8-u ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ????????.
??????, ????? ????????????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???????? ?? utf8 ????????????
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Where may I find it ?
Use special comp program, for instance: iconv, asrecod
The iconv program converts the encoding of characters in inputfile from
one coded character set to another. The result is written to standard
output unless otherwise specified by the --output option.
You needed convert cp1251->utf-8
Russian language pack in cp1251 you can find on this forum.
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??? ???????? "???????? ????????? ? ????????? ?????????? ??????????? ? _????????_ ??????????". ???? UTF-8 ???????????? ????????? ???? - ??????? ??????? ???, ?. ?. ??? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ? ???????? ??? ???????.
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Âñ¸ òàêè îíè äåðüìî, õîòÿ ÿ è íå ñîâñåì òàê âûðàçèëñÿ, îñîáåííî êîè8. Äóìàþ íå íàäî îáúÿñíÿòü ïî÷åìó.
Îáüÿñíè.
Íó, ýòî ñîâñåì íå òàê. Âçÿòü, õîòÿ áû iso-8859-5, ê ïðèìåðó. Âîò ÷åãî íå ñëåäîâàëî äîïóñêàòü, òàê ýòî òàêîãî çîîïàðêà.
Ýòî íå îò íàñ çàâèñèò. Ëþáàÿ ìàëîìàëüñêàÿ êîíòîðà ïî òèïó ìàéêðîñîôòà ñòàðàåòñÿ ïðîïèõíóòü ñâîé ñòàíäàðò. Âîò òîëüêî íå ìîãó ïðèïîìíèòü, êòî iso-8859-5 ââ¸ë.
Íåáëàãîäàðíûå, äëÿ âàñ ñòàðàþòñÿ æå.
Îíè ðåøàþò ñóãóáî ëè÷íûå ïðîáëåìû, è èíòåðåñû ïîëüçîâàòåëåé èõ çàòðàãèâàþò ïîñòîëüêó-ïîñêîëüêó...
P.S. ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî èäåàëüíûì ðåøåíèåì ïðîáëåìû, áûëî áû ââåäåíèÿ íà ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì óðîâíå òðàíñëèòà, êàê â ÿïîíèè íàïðèìåð, è ñî âðåìåíåì - îòêàç îò êèðèëèöû, íî ýòî óæ ÷åðåç÷óð ðàäèêàëüíî.
Òû äëÿ íà÷àëà ïîñ÷èòàé â êàêóþ ýòî êîïåå÷êó âûëüåòñÿ. Êàêóþ íåãàòèâíóþ ðåàêöèþ ýòî âûçîâåò ó îáùåñòâà, êîòîðîå çàñòàâÿò ïèñàòü, ÷èòàòü èíñòðàííûìè ÷óæåðîäíûìè áóêâàìè. Êèðèëè÷à, êñòàòè, íàìíîãî ëó÷øå ïðèñïîñîáëåííà ê ïèñüìåííîñòè, ÷åì ëàòèíèöà.
Òîãäà óæ ëó÷øå iso-8859-5.
×åì?
Ïðîñòî ïåðâûé ïîñò ïðî cp1251 áûë íà àíãëèéñêîì, êñòàòè íàãëÿäíî ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàë ÷òî cp1251 - îòñòîé.
Êàê ýòî îí ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàë?
Ïîëüçà îò utf çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â óíèâåðñàëüíîñòè(ïîääåðæêå âñåõ âèäîâ ïèñüìåííîñòè), ÷òî â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè îáëåã÷àåò ðàçðàáîòêó ïî, â òîì ÷èñëå è âåá-îðèåíèðîâàííîãî.
Íèêòî òåáå íå çàïðåùàåò èñïîëüçîâàòü, òî ÷òî òåáå íðàâèòüñÿ. À âîò ïðèíóæäåíèå - ýòî íå ñîâñåì õîðîøî.
IMHO, you should be a perverse to use cp1251 on unixlike systems.
Èñïîëüçóþ ÷òî õî÷ó. Ñâîáîäà âûáîðà, çíàåòå ëè. Íå ýòî ëè èõ ãëàâíûé ïðèíöèï?
Êàê ÿ óæå ñêàçàë - ÿ äîïóñêàþ utf-8 â èíòåðíàöèîíàëüíûõ, à íå ðóññêèõ ñàéòàõ, è â îáû÷íûõ ïðèëîæåíèÿõ.
Íî ïî÷åìó òàê êàòåãîðè÷íî? Ïîìîåìó êàæäûé â ïðàâå äåëàòü òî, ÷òî åìó íðàâèòñÿ ñî ñâîèì êîìïîì, ôîðóìîì, ïðîãðàìàìè.
Every thing is possible and all is easy .... 1, 2, 3 skin !
(sorry for my english)
How install SpinkBB at my computer, for not connect with internet. Where download php-source?
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Exactly! With utf8 you need nothing recode.
If you use locale cp1251 or koi8-r, for correct viewing character in russian per utf8, you mast recode filesystem. utf8 compatible with iso-8859-1. utf8 not compatible with iso-8859-5/cp1251/koi8-r.
May be you use wrong operation system?
I'm use Linux and what? I used utf8 and get many problems. Now I us koi8-u because less problem.
È íå íàäî íàâÿçûâàòü íàì ñâîþ áóðæóéñêóþ óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ.
Íó, è êóäà âñå äåíóòñÿ, êîãäà ìàéêðîñîôò íà÷í¸ò íàâÿçûâàòü óíèâåðñàëèçàöèþ? À îíè çàèíòåðåñîâàíû â ïðîäâèæåíèè utf...
 Ðîññèè ñòàíäàðò koi8-r è óæ íèêàê íå UTF-8
Ñòàíäàðòà ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷¸òó â Ðîññèè íåò. Âñå ñòàíäàðòû äèêòóþò áóðæóè.
à â *nix íóæíî åùå è ïîòðàõàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ó òåáÿ â ñèñòåìå íîðìàëüíî UTF-8 ðàáîòàë, òàê åùå è 90% ïðîã åãî íå ïîääåðæèâàþò.
utf8 íîðìàëüíî ðàáîòàåò è îñîáûõ óñèëèé ÿ íå çàòðà÷èâàë, êîãäà ñòàâèë ñèñòåìó íà utf-8. ß íå âñòðå÷àë (âåðíåå íå èñïîëüçîâàë) ïðîã, êîòîðûå ðàáîòàþò íåêîððåêòíî ñ utf. Íî òàêàÿ ïðîáëåìà âñ¸ æå åñòü, ÷òî ïå÷àëüíî.  ñìûñëå åù¸ ïîääåðæêà utf íå äîñòèãëà òîãî æå óðîâíÿ, ÷òî è cp1251/koi8. À âîò ëþäè ãîâîðÿò (êîòîðûå èñïîëüçóþò utf), ÷òî ïðîãå ïðè çàïóñêå ìîæíî óêàçàòü, êàêóþ êîäèðîâêó èñïîëüçîâàòü.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.5. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
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http://punbb.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6788
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Aleksei
lang/Russian/common.php
'Write message legend' => 'Íàïèøèòå Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è îòïðàâüòå åãî',
Ýòî âñìûñëå ìÿãêèé çíàê ïðîïóñòèë? Õîðîøî, â ñëåäóþùåé âåðñèè èñïðàâëþ.
??. changelog ? 1.2.4 .
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??-??, ?? ?????? ???? ? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ???????.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.3.
Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.4.
Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
Íåìíîæêî çàïîçäàë ïðàâäà.
K ñîæàëåíèþ, â âåðñèè 1.2 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïåðåâîäîì "by" â ñëó÷àå àâòîðà ïîñëåäíåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ è ñîçäàòåëÿ òîïèêà. Ãîâîðèòü âåçäå "îñòàâèë" íåêîððåêòíî, ò. ê. òåìà "ñîçäà¸òñÿ" à ñîîáùåíèå "îñòàâëÿåòñÿ":
 ïðèíöèïå ìîæíî áûëî áû êîíå÷íî ïîñòàâèòü "îò", íî êàê-òî ìíå íå î÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ.
 îáùåì - ÿ ïîïðîñèë àâòîðà ðàçäåëèòü ýòî íà äâå ÷àñòè:
Àãà, îí âçäîæíóë è ìíîãîçíà÷èìî ñêàçàë, îõ óæ ýòà ëîêàëèçàöèÿ.
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?, ???? ???? ?????. ? ??????? ????????, ??????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ? 1.2.4.
There is nothing to be done. It is necessary for us.
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Ðóññêèé ÿçûêîâûé ìîäóëü ê 1.2.2. Âìåñòå ñ àäìèíêîé.
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??? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?????????????? ????????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ? ??????
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