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You're just spoiled by the lightning speed of punBB

Working on it, unfrotunately never checked load time until after most of package written. Working on trimming it down..

Seems a lot of people working on their own...my attempt: http://www.phpmywebthing.com

I was able to hack in punBB without to much work, http://www.phpmywebthing.com/addons/punBB/ but not very efficient in the end....thinking may be time to try to write my own (even minimum would be good if good integration)

http://nucleuscms.org looks pretty sweet

But if all the "locals" stood up and helped the Iraqi people (who I don't think are doing the fighting now), then a message would be sent to the extremists. They only exist where permitted to exist. As I noted- no one will stand up and help anyone in that area. Compassionate people??

I think we could, but if we use force, people bitch. And if we don't people bitch. And it is a mess, but as with most people on the subject- all the world can do now is focus on that and really don't give a damn about fixing it. After all it would just be the loss of another argument how nasty we are. Best for all the critice to sit back and watch it fail. I wouldn't want to be a neighbor when it does..

First- Japans ports were blocked, no fuel, no industrial capability. I don't think even if they did get madder it would make any difference.
Second- my guess is they didn't (again the context thing). For all most people knew- it was just another bigger bomb. 

Not the point- point is context to that time period. Guess that was missed.

I didn't accuse you of being a natzi, I simply stated that you selectively pick out one instance of US action and repeat it as some type of validation of your beliefs. Without any reference to the context of that time. The fact others did it was not my point. One could probably go through history and selectively make a lot of countried look bad.

Far as I know- never used any military force there. As I noted above- I believe the world created that situation 50 years ago, maybe the world should try to resolve it.

Not over yet- lets talk in 5 years

I stand corrected, as noted above.

Yeah- covert operation in Bay Of Pigs, not really a war but I guess you got me there

I don't believe I'll ever make a point with you (or anyone else for that matter)...
I guess ruling with such brutality did keep the radicals in check, and have heard various comments that that is the only way to rule Iraq. But I don't really buy it. Perhaps the extremists were held in check, but so were the people. I think the problem there now is that no one wants a free Iraq (except perhaps the average Iraqi). Not one Arab leader has stepped up to say- "Those who don't want a free society, leave the country" or "Stop killing our fellow Arabs". But then again, why should they right... A free Arab society in the middle east is just to much of a threat to them, or they themselves are afraid of being overrun by terrorists.

The chaos could be stopped with force (country is not that big, but people cry fowl when force is used, and then they cry fowl when it isn't. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Look- I believed, as I think many americans did, that when Saddam was gone, the people of that nation would standup and build a new country. I never thought every extremist on the continent would flood in and try to take over the country. I also never believed that a nation of proud people, or its arab neighbors, would stand for it.

Do you have any understanding of WWII??
For one- the next step in the Pacific campaign was to invade mainland Japan. Due to the intensity of the campaigns leading up to this, all leaders knew it would be a bloody fight to the end. This would include massive (some estimates of million+) deaths amongst Japanese, Allied, and unfortunately Japanese civilians. At this point one has to think- millions+ or maybe just 100,000??
So- in the dropping of two bombs, the war in that arena was brought to an end, with overall lo ss of life a tenth on what it could have been.

Another piece of information: War has not always been fought with the precision known today. To hit a single factory, it was common (by all participants) to basically carpet bomb the entire city/area. You see, bombs were simply dropped from a couple dozen thousand feet and they hit where they fell. One target, one bomb was 50 years away.

I don't agree with the way wars are fought, but you have to look at the context of the time period before you go making such remarks. You have to understand that ALL leaders repeatedly bombed population centers for the effectiveness in weakening a government. Germany was close to nuclear weapons and do you think they would have used it?? Hell yea... it is war. Which by comparison- at least 10 times the number of Jews were exterminated by Germany than were killed in the A-bombs- but have you ever spoken up against that?? (probably not) Or the slaughter of thousand by China as they swept through Asia?? (probably not) Or the 100000  people who died during the UK's firebombing of the city of Dresdan?? (probably not)

No- you pick little points out of history, not because of the inhumanity by itself, but simply for the fact it may add fuel to the anti-US fire. Very sad.

OK- another history lesson. When USA entered Vietnam, some 20 years into the war, the South (who wanted some freedom) was dangerously close to being overrun. When the USA left (although not in a decisive victory), a cease fire was in effect (which still is today), and two countries were formed and are no longer at war. I'd say- yes it was better when we left.

And just for your information- very similar series of events and outcomes occurred in Korea. That war was over when we left, and has been peace there for 50+ years.

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What really tends to frustrate me on these topics are comments just as you have made. The nuclear bomb, vietnam, yada, yada, yada. If most of the people condemming us would look back in history, and learn a little about what you're ranting about, then you would realize how ridiculous these arguments are.

Anyone, name a military situation in which the USA was involved that did not end in peace, with interested parties in better condiition than before we got involved.

Anyone, name one country that we have fought and died in that we now occupy.

Final thought is as I sit here listening to the news and learning of 9 more US soldiers killed in the last 24-hours, and then review the comments made on here, I am completely overwhelmed by it all. And from this I realize that people will believe what they want and I for one am now done trying to defend anything the US has done. In my heart and mind I can see the good in things we have done, and look forward to a better time when the rest of the world will to.

No problem mate.
I was actually getting a little tired myself. Hopefully a lot of insight from a lot of people will help all with a different perspective.... Is what discussion is all about...

I agree that combat experience does play a role in the decision making process when considering "going to war".  Who better to ponder the thought of sending young men and women into combat than someone who has seen it close up for what it really is. One would never know how Kennedy would of handled the cuban missile crisis had he not been a veteran, but I think it does play into the decision. Bush Sr. made the decision to not go into Bagdad in '91 as he saw no "exit strategy", perhaps his veteran role also played a part in his decisions... who knows ..While the advice to do something may come from advisors, I believe it is a personal one when the decision is finally made (at least for the good presidents anyway).

I think Americans, me at least, show a certain respect for those who have fought in combat. I would stand behind Powell before I would Rumsfeld. Perhaps it is a generational thing, I think most people here barely remember the first Gulf War, let alone Vietnam, Korea, or WWII.

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It is very interesting to hear why non-US citizens think one should / shouldn't be our president, in fact fairly humorous at times, and VERY frustrating at others. You all speak as if you are more knowledgeable about our wants / desires from a president than we do. When we try to explain what Americans really feel, you all want nothing of it. I would not even attempt to try to tell you if Blair should stay or go, as I have no idea what you hold more vaulable in your own minds. Please try to consider the same.

Funny how we never see topics like- "Russia dealing with Chechin rebels?", or "Australia re-elects prime minister who supported Iraq war", or how "Arab "gangs" massacre thousands in Africa and governent does nothing to stop the genocide", or anything of that nature. Seems the US is just good reading.

I'm also surprised how much of these decisions from non-americans comes from Iraq war (no one even mentions Afghanistan- first free elections recently by the way). When the Iraq mess is over with, and it will be, we as a country have more important issues to resolve. We need to also consider these issues and not just whether the president will go to war or not. I want to hear economic plans, healthcare reform, national debt reduction, international realations, etc. be discussed and those also weigh heavily on our decisions.

Also- perhaps some are not aware that there is a legislative branch to our government that has more impact on our daily lives than the president. All say "Bush" took us to war, but do not forget the house and senate gave him the go ahead. NO president I know of have gone against that body on such a serious issue. An opposing party with majority rule in the house and senate can all but make a president "powerless". The president has ideas and proposals (unless he invoke things by executive order), but it is the remainder of our government that makes it happen, or not happen.

In other words- there is a big picture here, and if one makes decisions based on a single event (Iraq), or one flaw in a candidate (yeah Bush comes off pretty stupid at times), then you are not looking at this big picture. You're merely jumping the bandwagon.

Just IMHO

Well- interesting to get the "world view" on this, and unsurprisingly it is as expected. To me the more important issue are the senate/house elections that go on and that people seem to forget they are the true policy makers for this country. Naturally this is an exception when president issues executive orders.

For those who wish to blame only Bush for the war in Iraq need to remember he was given "approval" by the house and senate prior to it happening. He gave the order, but many more are responsible for "permitting" it to happen. Rarely has an American president gone to war SOLELY on his own.

I will not vote for Bush, as I to believe he is not really intellectually qualified and I for one am basically tired of attempting to be the worlds police/problem solvers. Perhaps a few bloody civil wars and when the killing is done, we'll be friends with the victor. Kerry, maybe- a return to more important things would be good, and a rest from the "wag the dog" groundhog day we are in would be quite refreshing. Or- no vote. Beauty of freedom is "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice". However- if I could be sure of the majority parties in the house and senate, I would vote the other party in as president (love them checks and balances).

Abo Graub (sp?)- don't even get started on this. Pose em naked to humiliate them or send them to an "Arab" country where they can be freely tortured. People should let this one go. Whether one agrees with it or not, it is war and much worse treatment is generally part of it. A simple philosphy is well known in this country- if you don't want to get arrested or shot at- DONT CARRY GUNS AND SHOOT THEM IN PUBLIC AT PEOPLE WITH GUNS.

"Holy Books"- more wars have been caused by religion than any other subject. Perhaps all need to truly read, and live by, their "holy books" and not use it as an excuse to kill the infidels. A pretty simple rule is "Don't fuck with other people becuase of their beliefs". If I said I wanted to kill everyone that was not, lets say Catholic, people would be outraged, BUT flip that and say anyone not a muslim and it becomes a cause.

North Korea Next??- My guess is all in Europe should be concerned about this, I believe you'll be a lot closer to the threat than the US (by way the short range missile flies). And once again- perhaps the people of that region (China, Japan, S Korea, etc.) can solve this one without us getting involved. And I really think Iran should be on the list of concerns of the regions also..

It was noted that we should be more concerned about this election as it effects more than "our little world". But it is obvious by these posts that the world wishes we would just worry about our own little world and let the rest of it resolve there own issues. Perhaps our votes should be for us- our security, our economy, our future.

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Look- I think deep down all people of the world want the same things- security, financial opportunity, and ability to feed and comfort one's family. Now since the world can't seem to provide it's citizens with these basic desires by shooting the hell out of each other, perhaps EVERYONE should sit back and stop what the hell they are doing and try something else. Perhaps a shot at giving the next generation a chance instead of teaching to throw rocks at anyone who they are told to.

Just some thoughts from a bitter american tired of seeing a country try, and tired of seeing the world trash us for it. Yep- as all seem to think - we can do no right....

They have been trying to get all they can out of the 10.xxx series (guess Mac OS-X just isn't as cool at 11.xx). I think 10.2 is up to 10.2.8

I love my macs, but make my money from windows. I think I'd be rather unhappy if stuck with only one of them.

As a note- agree the upgrade path on OS-X has been expensive. I remember the days when Apple only charged for .0 and .5 release, now every .1 is getting a bit much. Agree also- a lot of it is unfinished work in the earlier ones. None the less, no activation codes, so buy it once and can load it on all my 3 macs....

My thoughts exactly.....used to be regular watching (TSS, The Tech Of..., Fresh Gear (missing Sumi))...hope they get back soon, the TSS reruns are pretty old at this point...

Get the best of all three- get yourself a nice G5 (the mac and with X11 the *nix side) and then run virtualPC for the win side. With enough ram to give to the win, performance not bad for casual use (from what I hear- TechTV- Win98 screams along pretty good), but the others (XP/W2K) are a bit slower. Thing is you can do it.

Also- don't some compilers support cross-platform compiling??

As for making money- true Win is majority, but also the majority of "free" or shareware programs you'd be competing against. And no offense, but the win crowd tend to be a bit more stingy with the money...

Mac on the other hand, not as many "freebies" and mac users, me for one, tend to spend a couple bucks for a good program...Smaller audience, but end result may be more people who will plop down the bucks....

....looking for the POTB form for you......

It just seems like you trying to drive your code down Rickard's (all everyone else) throat. One thing to make a contribution but another to degrade the dev's code in comments and expect all to jump on it. While I applaud you efforts, bottom line is I'll be installing what comes from Rickard...

What happens to all you mod when V1.2 comes out, or if I want to use PunBB++??

Sorry if I vastly underestimated the contribution you have made. I stand correctled and will humbly bow out of the thread....

Well- wtf i was thinking was it seems you have specific items you want to program. Not specific programming resources, but resources to writing to your task. I seriously doubt you will find an whitepapaers posted on these topics, or any "how to write a virus program" websites. Just seems you want a "quick" solution to a what will be a very long term project.

In addition, I'm slightly skeptical (perhaps paranoid) about people focusing on ftp, virus software, messaging. Three different "concepts" that generally only come together for virus/worm writing. Sorry- but my first thought was this is a wanna be hacker.

In my opinion, if you're serious, you first decide on language you want to focus on (which I guess is C/C++). And you'll learn all you can about, by reading topics (ie the google reference), visiting developer forums (again ie the google reference), and by doing (doing what?- "hello world", first application compiled, windowing, API to the OS, etc.). Granted some here can point you to some some good reference points, but you'll need to do the digging.

As specific links to "how to write a xxxxx program". Not gonna find it. I think you need to decide what the program is to do, and incorporate that into your program. For example- FTP is gonna need to communicate with other computers of various OS's- so one would need to learn that. Will be listing files- will need to learn that. etc...

Sorry if I offended you, perhaps just tired of the "save me a bunch of time by telling me how to do this" generation on the internet these days. I saw this thread heading right down that path. Again, my apologies if incorrect.