The mods. It's always the mods.

And Apache probably, you should try Lighttpd.

On the PunBB part, you could hire any available Pun's developer.  On the global admin part, there's plenty of people... the trick is to hire one good.

Extension also offer much more flexibility, and less overhead for for core dev team, less support.

I disagree with Rickard on the need and importance of such a feature (and a few other, such as multigroup), however having a semi-official extenstion doing it is quite ok if there's a good tool to deploy, manage, and update extenstion on PunBB (I don't want to have to do it by hand on several multiple install, like TXP, it's a time eater). I'm pretty sure such a tool won't be here at 1.3, so it give us something to bother them about for 1.3.1 tongue

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(51 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Rickard wrote:

We're considering dropping support for MySQL 4.0 and older in PunBB 1.3. The reason we're considering this is that proper character set support was not added until 4.1.

MySQL < 4.1 can handle utf-8 for storage, even if it doesn't know what it is. However, since every host or server I use has at least a 4.1, personally, I don't care :-p

We would appreciate if you could just check your forums and copy/paste the version number in this topic.

- 5.0.32-Debian_7etch4-log Debian etch distribution
- 5.0.44-log

Hey, I found an old plan using 4.0.25-standard-log ! However, since migrating to 5.0.44 is a one-click step, doesn't matter smile

Edit: minor FYI, the #1 host in France provide 5.0.44 with every shared plan, and 4.1 or 5.0. branches for easy (like plesk or so) dedicated server.

<hn> have much more meaning then font-size (which has exactly none).

But I'm pretty sure, at some point there will be several extenstion that will allow any bbcode you could think of smile

Besides, what css would you use with size=xx attribute? Remember you can't use pixel-width font size in CSS, thanks to MSIE.

More like h4 to h6 I believe, since h1 through h3 are already used on the page.

The more user friendly way of doing it would be something like {subtitle level 1}, {subtitle level 2}, {subtitle level 3} ({} instead of [], because I'm not talking about BB syntax here), that would be automatically be transcoded into h4, h5, h6.

Maybe something like [st1], [st2], [st3], with alias for [h4], [h5], [h6] for cross-platform BBcode consistency (with [h1]~[h3] creating a parse warning or something).

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(9 replies, posted in General discussion)

I never had any issues with it. My main hosting (and my old main one, too) do gzip almost everything on the fly (including all html, xml, css, js for sure... I think it skip it for images, video, and the like). If your UA can't handle it, there's a mechanism that take care of it (it doesn't get sent gziped).

Frankly, a server that doesn't gzip most files nowadays... not a good server. From the server point of view, it's mostly a good thing : a little more cpu for much less bandwidth, and faster transaction closing. From the user point of view, it's all beneficial... pages load much more faster.

The only case I can think of where someone might consider not doing it, would be if he had a dedicated box already cpu limited and more bandwidth (and I mean, like 50 to 200% more) available for free. That may seems as a good trade off for him, but he would only slightly delay a needed cpu upgrade, and punish his users. And with cable and some dsl subscriber having download quota in some countries, it's very much unpleasant to them.

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(26 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

dera wrote:

all you think are good to have on forum because my members are starting to requesting better forum (more options, etc.)

Note: a better forum is not a forum with more things on it.

Quite the opposite in fact.

Same as in design: your work is finished when there's nothing left to remove; not when there's nothing more to add.

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(11 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 troubleshooting)

On the thread view, check the end of the page. There, you'll see the moderation tools: sticky, move, etc.

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(10 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Tjalve wrote:

it works fine on my test server.

lighttpd-1.4.18

With Pun 1.3 >rev 1200?

Nice to know smile

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(10 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

I wander if anyone (on the dev team or not) did some test with the 1.3 pre-alpha and Lighttpd? Especially, tried to make to new rewrite engine (done in PHP) work with Lighttpd?

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(26 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

I just re-realized, the tools are already here: Trac.

It just needs to be opened, maybe with a PunBB auth bridge.

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(26 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

True, to be as useful as possible, a wiki require some planning ahead, and a tight hand at first to get everything organized (or this can turn into the old Mediawiki's wiki).

But whatever the front and/or tech selected, a way to include the community (or part of it) in it would help free some time for the dev team to code more smile

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

The purists thanks you smile

Rickard wrote:

We've discussed this and here's what I think we'll do. The localization of URL's is still a very rare phenomenon and we're not so sure it's something people would want.

Textpattern and Mediawiki have it in core, to name just two software I use frequently; I'm sure there are a lot other ones.

Instead, we'll provide a simple extension that loads any set of localized rules (if available).

Seems perfect. Thanks.

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(26 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Rickard wrote:

Yeah. The documentation is getting an overhaul for 1.3. For that purpose, a wiki might not be a bad idea.

Unless you want to write it all by yourself... which is fine by me, less work for us, more laziness big_smile

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(26 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Rickard wrote:

I would like to stress that this is a temporary thing. For the release of 1.3, we'll have a completely redesigned web site.

With a proper documentation, maybe something user improved like a wiki? smile

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

I haven't tested them all, but the one I have don't block voluntary window.open(), and block most involuntary _blank one.

Extension writers would have to internationalize their plugin anyway, wouldn't they? Or more exactly, they either would (and in that case, if they can account for specific lang string, I think they can account for specific localized clean URL string... they are all strings after all) or wouldn't in the first place (and in that case, it doesn't really matter).

I understand this is a little more work, and you want to get 1.3 out of your system right now, but as a forum user and/or a forum owner, how would you feel if the punbb.org URL where in Euskara, or Chinese? See what I mean?

Beside, even if it's not a PunBB core capability, I believe a lot of non English forum owner will edit their rewrite file to localize them (it doesn't require any PHP skill), and some lang pack author would provide them anyway. So if that would break extension because it was not planned from the start, well, they will break for some people anyway sad

elbekko wrote:

It still won't work. I doubt a link full of special characters, which are translated to their ASCII/UTF-8 values, is clearer than obvious english words.

Hence the localization word I was using, instead of translation.

A lot of language are understandable when romanized into URL's ASCII (Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, German, Wallon, probably Polish, and a lot more I don't know), of course that's what need to be done.

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Hence my first question in my first post...

Sorry about the sidetrack. I just wanted to be sure I read the revision correctly, and to point it out the issues with it.

Ok; just thinking out loud here:

- first scenario: a PunBB install has only one (non English) language installed. In that case it's simple, PunBB knows it has to use the German (for example) lang pack, and it uses the German rewrite scheme.

- second scenario: a PunBB install has multiple languages. Either use the English (aka international) rewrite scheme (simpler to code, I think) or allow the admin to select which rewrite scheme he wants to use (slightly more complex, but better for example is someone has an Italian & German forum... English would have no meaning there).

In any case, there would be only one scheme running (allowing multiple scheme would lead to huge complex system to avoid content redundancy), but that's ok I think. True multiple languages forum are, on top of that, quite rare from my experience.

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

That's the biggest issue yup, but not only.

It also means that every external link inside PunBB would be almost force opened in a new window for everyone, and that's just wrong behavior, that kind of thing should be controlled by the end user, not the software writer or the webmaster.

In my opinion:

- tagging external link (but I wander how you decide what's external and what's not... if we are on forums.punbb.org, would www.punbb.org/download/ for example be external?) is good, people could use that ground to build tools on it (and I would say, adding an "external" class with the rel attribute would be nice too).

- opening specific links as popup (like contextual help, smiley selection, things like that) is good too. But I would do it with the window.open() method, to avoid using a wrong DTD attribute, and because Firefox for example would open these popup while opening _blank in a new tab (less helpful here).

- forcing default PunBB behavior to open any external link on a new window (at least, trying to) is bad; again this should be the sole decision of the end user. And it -might- +will+ conflict with site-wide policy and existing tools on link, external links, and rel="external" links.

If you want to offer the new window capability to your users (because they are bugging you to... a classic thing), I would suggest going (vanilla, official extension, or personal extension; as you prefer) the checkbox way (add a small checkbox somewhere on the UI that says "Open external link in a new window?", unchecked by default, and use a cookie to keep that data).

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Smartys wrote:

Oh, are we rehashing this discussion again? tongue

Well we shouldn't tongue

Take a look at the help links under the quick post form. Those are opening in a new window right now. Those are what class="exthelp" links are in 1.3. We've just removed the inline Javascript.

Yup, I didn't talk about these.

As for rel="external", I don't think that's used anywhere in PunBB. However, it makes it possible for someone to write an extension to modify the parser that opens all external pages in a new window. That's not a new idea, there are several versions of that out now as modifications. Adding the ability to open rel="external" links in a new window to the Javascript simply reduces the amount of work someone would have to do. The code is there anyway for the help links, it makes sense to use it for both.

Agreed, an extension that add a checkbox on PunBB to let user choose if the external links should be opened in a new window would probably be a good thing (short of that, not a good thing at all).

But it doesn't seem to work that way. It seems vanilla Pun 1.3 will open any rel="external" link on a new window, all the time. This isn't good, plus rel="external" is borderline microformat (and anyway is a common practice) and it's used in many websites. And, as I was once told, PunBB is meant to have the capability of flawlessly be integrated into an existing website.

Paul wrote:

The way it works its not quite what I originally intended. I did intend to use rel=external where relevant and then have the bit of javascript that relates to it commented out. That way people wouldn't even have to write an extension, they could just uncomment one line in the script.

Yup that makes more sense smile

However, do you really want to help people who would force upon their poor users such a window behavior only with a commented out line? I mean, as a web user, whenever I go to a website and find PunBB being their forums, I'm glad: it means mostly no gloat, fast, clean valid html, well indexed posts, and so on. With this system, I'm afraid in the future I'll find myself not so happy when a significant part of those websites will try to always open external link in a new window.

See what I mean?

Hey, I'm not telling you what to do, it's just a user feedback. But in my not-so-humble-opinion ( tongue ) an extension with the checkbox system should be the extent of it, and should benefit everyone.

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(13 replies, posted in PunBB 1.2 discussion)

Yup.

Is that something really wanted, opening any rel="external" link in a new window? That kind of behavior should be in the user's hands, not in the server ones.